EVE General Discussion

Go ahead then, why don't you tell us what "hypothetical" I came up with that won't work. Then I'll demonstrate for you the time I made it work. And who said anything about smartbombs in high sec? The OPs ship loss was in null.

I mean I get it, you support people not thinking and just running to complain about things they could do something about if they wanted to. I do not support that idea, it's a stupid way to play any game.

And thank you for making the point I meant.
Just because you can come up with anecdotal evidence to say that it worked in this very particular situation for you does not mean it is practical for people to use in their situation.
The 'counters' to ECM are very situation dependant as to if they apply, and in many cases will harm the ship more than they help. Yes it's great when you have them and when they actually work vs ECM, but trying to tout them as a one size fits all solution is just trolling.

Sure, people should think about it, but ECM as it works currently on RNG is a terrible mechanic and people should complain about the general nature of the mechanic.

Do I have a better replacement, also nope, not one that keeps the general spirit of the idea anyway. But ECM can certainly at least be iterated on in a number of ways, some of which may make it less onerous for both attacker & defender.

He has the right general idea though. A cheap non costly counter measure is needed. I do not think its fair to require someone to know what they will be fighting before they undock(like drone boats for example). This is why the game has gotten stagnant. It rewards the people who know exactly what they will be fighting and when too much. There is no room for random fighting because it requires too much scheming.

I know.. I know.. you have to be a trillionaire and put in massive effort to afford and equip the mighty sensor booster and a script or two to use it in different situations.

CCP seems okay with ECM in it's current form despite it being pretty common knowledge that it's by far the most absurd form of EWAR that takes the most effort to counter and that most ships would not reasonably be able to counter it reliably without fitting specifically for that counter. We've all just coped by accepting that there are no fair match ups in EVE and that you don't fly anything you aren't prepared to lose to some stupid mechanic like this.

That didn't answer the question.

I just calculated that he has only about 16% probabilty to jam you per circle, or 26% at most in the most extreme situation.
And even with 27% jam probabilty and 3 jams on his ship, he has less than 0.3% probabilty to perma-jam you for 2 minutes.
Or did your raven only lasted for 20 seconds in front of this small ship?

How in the heck would you know since you haven't tried any of it.? I don't talk about things I haven't tried.

That's my point, people like you and the rest don't even try. You've made the decision you don't like something (in this case, ECM), and have already decided that you are powerless to fight back. Which is why I used the word pitiful, because it is.

Like I said, I have never, and I mean not once told someone to do something I haven't at least tried. You know WHY I know the overheated MWD + smart bomb trick to agro drones works? Because in the past I got perma-jammed and killed and I didn't like it. You know how I found out that fof missile activation also activates drones? Yep, same deal, I exploded.

Why in hell are you people playing a game if all you are gonna do is run to ccp every time there is the slightest bit of adversity?

Nope.

In my decade in EVE I have yet to see anything...ANYTHING...that everyone agreed was either good or bad. Someone is always whining and someone else is gleefully calling them names over it.

Mr Epeen

It's easy to never make mistakes like Jenn aSide. Just be like Jenn and never undock.