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T3 vs Tier 3 -- we need a convention
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2012-01-23 11:17:04 UTC
Too much lately people have confused Tech 3 cruisers and Tier 3 battlecruisers in conversation. It comes far too naturally to call them both "T3" in shorthand conversation. We need a better solution, a convention that everyone uses.

Tech 3 ships are going to remain "T3". They were the first that got the title, and deserve it. Plus, nobody refers to tier 2 BCs as "T2 BCs". People hardly refer to them as any more than simply "battlecruisers". However, tier 3 BCs are in a class of their own, separate from the tier 1 and 2 BCs, so they deserve a special designation. "Tier 3" is clumsy and requires 4 (FOUR!!!) keystrokes for the word "tier" and an extra one for the space -- an utterly unnecessary waste of our typing effort.

Reducing it to "T3" works, but only when it is contextually clear what you are talking about, to avoid confusion with T3 (strategic) cruisers. Removing the T's capitalization from the BCs is a possible solution (t3 vs T3), but many people won't be assed to adhere to that, particularly in very shorthand stuff: "hey bro i gccd in my t3 2day n had xpensive lossmail"

Another possible solution is using an extra letter (as much effort as that might be). "Ti3" or "ti3" for indicating tier 3 BCs. Makes them sound like fancy calculators though, or titanium molecules.

What do you think? Any innovative solutions from the community?

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Steveir
Hagukure
#2 - 2012-01-23 11:23:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Steveir
BC+ & BS+ ? and T3
Derus Grobb
Shifting Suns Industries
#3 - 2012-01-23 11:28:30 UTC
My innovative solution is to stfu and go outside
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2012-01-23 11:29:51 UTC
R3
Vyl Vit
#5 - 2012-01-23 11:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
I like Tr3 . It almost says it. Tr3 and T3. The T and r are next to each other on the keyboard, too.

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Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-23 11:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Stiller
Use the last letter from the word "tier" instead of the first. I.e. R3.

Edit: Confound you Tippia!
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-23 11:36:39 UTC
Steveir wrote:
BC+ & BS+ ? and T3


Actually BC3 is pretty good. Its easily extensible to any ship type and its very specific.
DeLaBu
CAF Industries
#8 - 2012-01-23 11:41:25 UTC
I also like the TR3 convention. I cuts across all classes and most people that knows about tier 3 will make the link.

R3 is also ok, but may take a few more brain cycles before someone makes the link to tier 3.

And R3 is just confusing to those who have lived in Southern Provi...
seany1212
M Y S T
#9 - 2012-01-23 11:43:31 UTC
There are tier 3 battleships, cruisers and frigates, tier 3 battlecruisers are spoke of a lot due to them being new, if you are unable to differentiate between tech 3 and tier 3 ships you need to relearn the English language Roll
Skorpynekomimi
#10 - 2012-01-23 11:54:46 UTC
Tier 3 -> Tr3. They're right next to each other, too! And will look distinct even in the client's crappy font!

Economic PVP
Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-23 11:58:33 UTC
I vote T3 for Tech 3, and 3^ for Tier 3. (Note the ^ is on the right of the 3 to avoid confusion with m^3)

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Orion Guardian
#12 - 2012-01-23 12:09:26 UTC
You really don't have problems at all do you?

Btw the term "Tier 3" is far older than T3s are.....
JamesCLK
#13 - 2012-01-23 12:14:18 UTC
Why not just invert the two characters and use '3T'?
For '3rd Tier'.

"Did you see those 3rd Tier Battlecruiser stats?"
"Yeah, the Tornado is the only good 3rd Tier Battlecruiser"
"NERF 3rd Tier BCs!"

I think it works, do you?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2012-01-23 15:04:02 UTC
Huh, I didn't expect this much good discussion, honestly. I made the OP while sleep deprived and slightly loopy, but re-reading it myself, it's a very valid question.

The best suggestion I've heard so far is using TR or Tr as a prefix. "Tr3", for someone who doesn't know what it means, leads them to pronounce it out loud in their head: "tee arr three". "Tier 3" almost says itself.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#15 - 2012-01-23 15:04:22 UTC
R3

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#16 - 2012-01-23 15:37:32 UTC
TR3 or BC3

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Ex0101
T-Wrecks
#17 - 2012-01-23 15:42:35 UTC
You're never going to get everyone to agree on anything.

How about just taking the extra half a second to type something properly, and using the english language instead of needing shortcuts for every word in a sentence?
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-01-23 15:45:21 UTC
why is this even an issue

i dont know ANYBODY who calls an Oracle or a Talos a T3 ship

the solution to this is to call them what they are, battlecruisers.

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-01-23 16:22:28 UTC
Tech level traditionally has roman numbers, while tier level has arabic numbers.
so:
T III: Tech three
T 3: Tier three

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-01-23 17:11:40 UTC
You're fixating on the wrong things, go get that lump you found checked out by a doctor.
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