Intergalactic Summit

I am neither insane, nor spew insanity, nor believe in any insanity.

Ladies and gentlemen, Caldari State has many enemies, and when they fail to defeat us in space, they resolve to such revolting tactics - they spread slanders and insults about Caldari Officers.

Please be wary whom are you speaking with, and don't trust this vile woman, known as Arrendis, she is just a pathetic liar. Any of her words can be a delusion, don't trust her.

Don't trust Sakura Nihil or don't trust Arrendis.

At this point I am beginning to find it hard to trust the source.

Goons have their "reputation" in the cluster, and Arrendis just confirmed that. A slaver hound can be more polite and respectful opponent than a Goon.

Luckily, we all have seen already that goons are nothing but a bloated fake, and their Empire has collapsed like a cardhouse. The State stands for hundreds of years, and will stay after the last goon will be wiped from existence.

You are no match for us, space waste. Go back playing toy soldiers in your null security space.

I'm fairly sure that every nullsec group that's moved into the war zone has said that. Most of them failed pretty hard. The best managed to be statistically significant, but none 'slaughtered' one of the militias that I am aware of. Often their very presence simply attracts more vicious opposition to the area.

Goons certainly represent a much bigger organisation than has tried, to date, but fighting in the war zone has rules that work against that sort of domination.

As they say in the Empire, Et hoc probatum nil est

Thank you, Mr. Tuulinen, I was referring though to the State as whole, not just warzone, but I agree with your estimation. I think we can handle this little nuisance just ourselves as militia without using State regular forces.

I can just say that it might be way more interesting fight than these Faded Light, who can just boast with empty words instead of fighting. Goons could bring some ships for us to kill!

If you cannot fight in plexes, you cannot dictate engagement terms. Yes, you can camp stations (there are so many, though) and, yes, you can camp gates (but everybody does this already) but you cannot make people fight in any one part of the warzone - most traffic will simply swap to another set of systems.

You could bring things to the table that haven't been seen out there - like the first group large enough to actually go to war on Neutral shipping whilst still camping bottle neck gates and STILL camping highsec resupply bases - but you might find trying to crush a militia to be a bit like punching fog with the odd hidden brick wall in it.

You'd have to interdict the whole of BOTH warzones, otherwise people will just not be where you are except when they feel like defeating one of your sub-fleets in detail. I suspect you'll find it a mixture of boring / frustrating and petty - since everyone's reaction to an overwhelming force is to switch to sh1t-tier frigates.

The other thing you can't do is force economic defeat on your enemy. Once you've dealt with people's citadels, most folks have zero overhead except for ship replacements and nothing for you to attack that isn't all teeth, all the time. You also couldn't win a moral victory, since the make up of a militia changes as corps move through active/hibernation cycles or leave to try something new.

A strategy of ignoring complexes simply underlines the very real possibility, and one that other nullseccers have found themselves facing, that nobody else is terribly interested in playing the same game as them.

Still, you are a magnificent bunch of creative problem-causers. If someone could do it, I would be shocked if it wasn't you. Again, though, it remains to be proved.

Maybe. An economic victory is to target and destroy or deny a Corps means of making money. Doing so, in Fac War, involves denying precisely the complexes you just talked about not bothering with. You might well drive off anyone willing to form a fleet and have any sort of fight, and never make much of a dent in the silent half to two-thirds of the Warzone - the instawarping stabbed complex farmers who hide out in those complexes.

A lot of what you're envisaging doing is totally outside of the context of my experience. It might be all kinds of super-effective, for all I know, but it also might fail utterly. The only familiar part about this is the smug sense of self-confidence you're exuding and, with respect, that I have seen before.

Perhaps in your case it's justified, but everybody else shared your confidence in completely dominating the Warzone and I never saw anyone actually pull it off.

I am still waiting for these "Faded Light" to do at least something besides "Declaration".

Weak troll is weak.

The response will come. It must come.