Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Suggestions to close the thread have been made multiple times. Or at least some enforced rules to shut down the trolling or at least set up some inishiall pointers in the OP to prevent repetitive loops of identical arguments.

I think this threads just here to catch all the trolls and keep them bizzy while the people who want to actually want some real change get ignored in the slur that this threads turned into.

How about fixing the game so that you don't have to keep your PC running for months at a time to counter intel channels?

I just don't understand why ISDs doesn't enforce rules of this forum subsection. Instead they endorse trollers who are not posting anything constructive and even mocking OPs, closing threads and move it here.

Because, ISD, in their hearts, know that AFK cloaking whines are the sad bleating of people who fail at EVE. ISD can't ban their accounts, but they probably don't have any real sense of obligation to protect the failures from justified criticism.

Okay frontpage pointed out the best way for kspace to get back to gaming: if someone enters local but they are still holding their gate cloak, they don't appear in the list. If that same person activates a covert ops cloak and begins navigating, they vanish from the list and, if quick enough, the server might not even tick their name for that odd second or two.

Compromise, Defense: cloaked ships will appear on Dscan with a vaguely discernible indication of sig radius and nothing more, and only when navigating. No amount of effort from the defending side can decloak them without really good Dscan narrowing skills (warping to a self-made bookmark within 2 kilometers of their present hiding spot). Justification: Dscan signal occlusion. Something prevented the full packet of scanned data from returning in that general direction of space. If the ship is decloaked through conventional close-in tactics, they appear on local and, of course, are lockable on your overview.

Compromise, Offense: Fitting a specialized Covert Ops module that works like any Polarized / Microjump item will remove the vessel from any Dscan attempts or at the very least throw off narrowing by 100km or more. The trade-off is while activating this module, the ship loses its suite of resists and incurs a heavy yet slow-cycle capacitor drain. Justification: Balance, given the Dscan upgrade for the defending Sov.

Lolwut? The people who are doing this are already subscribing and already setting up to kill you. The only question is whether they log out when they go AFK, or just leave EVE running. Have you actually done AFK cloaking? Because you seem to have a completely incorrect idea of how much effort it requires, or even what it involves doing.



It's hardly an addiction when you're literally talking about "spend 30 seconds logging in, then walk away". This is not WoW addiction where you're peeing in bottles because you can't interrupt your gaming to get to the bathroom, the level of effort given to AFK cloaking is negligible and has zero effect on the rest of your life.

As for the rest, it's the same old pathetic bleating of carebears who can't stand that nullsec PvE can't be farmed just like highsec. The same old whines about how AFK cloaking is "lame", the same attempts to portray the people who do it as no-life failures offline, etc. None of it is new, none of it is useful, and all of it demonstrates why CCP created a trash can thread to hold all the AFK cloaking whines.

That is not a compromise at all. On one side you have people saying local is too strong. On the other, we have recently had people implicitly agreeing with the notion of letting cloaked ships be subject probing, but certain ships being removed from local. Buffing an already powerful mechanic is not a solution.

Is local ever wrong? No. It is 100% accurate.
Does local give the resident player and advantage? Yes, you will see an intruder before he even loads grid.
Can local be subverted in anyway? Only by cloaked ships.

This "compromise" weakens the last one.

That is not a compromise.

A compromise would be like the solution I noted above, some cloaking ships are removed from local, but all cloaking ships vulnerable to being probed. No more AFK cloaky camping, and yet a way to hunt ratters who are not using probes to ensure they are not being lurked up on.

My guess is the AFK campers is more sane than those raging against it. He logs in, activates his cloak. Then goes and reads a book, goes to see a movie. Make dinner. Go to work. Hang out with friends. Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet, if not he goes outside and walks his dog. Or he goes to the beach, grocery shopping, or any other myriad of things that occupy our lives.

In the mean time there is a carebear rage posting on the forums about that psychopathic AFK cloaky camper.

Because that is the way local works. It reports you if you are ATK or AFK. It is the one thing that renders local less than perfect.

It is a good thing. It undermines local...it is the only thing that undermines local. Every other suggestion here has generally been along those lines save for a few.

How can someone that's not there affect anyone else?