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Arrendis
TK Corp
#41 - 2017-05-09 12:34:23 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
And also thanks for actually making me laugh.


I'm generally not allowed to talk about how much time the Sanmatar and Catie seem to have spent together. A lot of the Amarr pilots get all sorts of irate when I point out how popular the Brutor bad-boys are with all those proper Amarr noblewomen in the holos. Shak-man gotta keep his girl in line, you know?
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#42 - 2017-05-09 13:32:11 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Blah, blah, blah...



Gaven,

This isn't about you. I know you think you know all the answers when it comes to us, but you...especially you, don't get to come here and offer an opinion on what we should or shouldn't do.

You do understand why an Amarr loyalist's words aren't going to be entirely popular here, right?

We don't want or need the Empire to tell us what to do.

Maybe you should take care of your own space before the Drifters gank another Empress, m'kay? Leave Matari concerns to Matari.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”
KillJoy Tseng
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#43 - 2017-05-09 13:33:00 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
And also thanks for actually making me laugh.


I'm generally not allowed to talk about how much time the Sanmatar and Catie seem to have spent together. A lot of the Amarr pilots get all sorts of irate when I point out how popular the Brutor bad-boys are with all those proper Amarr noblewomen in the holos. Shak-man gotta keep his girl in line, you know?


Now there's a solution with interesting implications. Where'd the author of the Interstellar Intrigue books go?
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#44 - 2017-05-09 14:05:25 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

Maybe it is of some consolation to you then that they have been nothing but predictable for almost ten years now.


You say that as if ten years is significant. How incredibly short sighted. No wonder your kind could barely mount a defense when we found you.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Arrendis
TK Corp
#45 - 2017-05-09 14:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Mitara Newelle wrote:

You say that as if ten years is significant. How incredibly short sighted. No wonder your kind could barely mount a defense when we found you.


You know, proudly crowing about how easy it was to pacify a few planets of people who hadn't known war in centuries isn't exactly the best way to hold yourselves up as the 'not a bunch of bloodthirsty savages' in this equation. Clearly, we're not the ones with a congenital difficulty in seeking peaceful coexistence with our neighbors.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#46 - 2017-05-09 14:14:13 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

Maybe it is of some consolation to you then that they have been nothing but predictable for almost ten years now.


You say that as if ten years is significant. How incredibly short sighted. No wonder your kind could barely mount a defense when we found you.



Mitara? Same thing as Gaven.

The opinion of a Holder here is worth about as much as a pile of dead Fedos. Save the snark for a time and place where you're attempts at clever matter.

Maybe you could spend your time doing something constructive? Like knitting? Or finding Jamyl's corpse?

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#47 - 2017-05-09 14:22:43 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
You say that as if ten years is significant.

That's actually not what I implied at all.

But nice try anyway.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2017-05-09 15:13:23 UTC
Hmm, interesting. The idea thar the Usurpers have been predictable suggests that you consider Colelie to have been predictable.

One factor regarding the Midular assassination and Colelie that demonstrates my point about the Toy War is that both events took place after a sustained period of Matari dominance in the warzone. It seems unlikely that the Usurpers would have been so willing to spend political capital like water to remove an already mostly neutralized domestic foe if they had not been riding high in the tides of the war. You are absolutely right that the war alone will almost certainly never be the sole issue that brings them down, but by fighting in the war you are spending your lives and treasure to supply political capital to the Usurpers that insulates them from domestic shocks and gives them options. EMs effect on the war is relatively tiny, but tiny sums add up.

Also Lady Admiral Newelle and I almost certainly do not entirely agree on these issues. I did mention that Amarr has its hawks.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2017-05-09 16:09:29 UTC
I think all of your place far too much value on the influence the CEWPA conflict has on the cutures, finances, and policies of the big four.

Perhaps you are being hopeful.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2017-05-09 16:15:53 UTC
Challis Drant wrote:
He does not have to do anything - he can sit there and claim that the threat of the Amarr is the reason he acts, and while that threat hangs over our head we cannot go forward. He can enact any legislation or give any decree and as long as he claims it is for the protection of the Republic
You seem to have no understanding of his place in the Tribal Republic. He cannot act legislation or decree on anything, he has no vote and may only resolve disagreements.

The idea that he is the only or even the most aware of the threat of the Empire in the Tribal Order or even on the Tribal Council itself is inane and laughable.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#51 - 2017-05-09 16:33:25 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
You seem to have no understanding of his place in the Tribal Republic. He cannot act legislation or decree on anything, he has no vote and may only resolve disagreements.

And you seem to have no idea how power and influence actually work.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#52 - 2017-05-09 16:41:46 UTC
No no, Ayallah knows everything, and can't ever be wrong. Just ask her.
Ioannis Sepphiros
Sapphire Interstellar Capital Holdings
#53 - 2017-05-09 16:51:18 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
[quote=Ioannis Sepphiros]
Those that matter/are in the thick of it should step up and be beacons of hope and unity Captain Rhiannon, I dont harbor such false notions about myself nor I could contribute in a fundamental manner given my youth as a capsuleer within this topic. I can only state what I would like to see from a personal viewpoint and thats as far as I can go about this given how I would be disrespectful to the rest before me that have done so much about the Republic, each to his/her own capacity and will.


A question on this: precisely who are you referring to when you say 'those that matter are in the thick of it'?




Those capsuleers that matter and or are in the thick of helping the Republic to grow.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#54 - 2017-05-09 17:22:36 UTC
Ioannis Sepphiros wrote:

Those capsuleers that matter and or are in the thick of helping the Republic to grow.


And how does someone with the University of Caille determine which capsuleers matter?
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#55 - 2017-05-09 18:14:58 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Hmm, interesting. The idea thar the Usurpers have been predictable suggests that you consider Colelie to have been predictable.

Not the exact events, no.

But you seem to follow my thinking on that already, so maybe nothing more needs to be said on it.

I'd rather not talk about Colelie, anyway.
Ioannis Sepphiros
Sapphire Interstellar Capital Holdings
#56 - 2017-05-09 18:21:49 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Ioannis Sepphiros wrote:

Those capsuleers that matter and or are in the thick of helping the Republic to grow.


And how does someone with the University of Caille determine which capsuleers matter?


I must admit I dont follow your point at asking this.. Are you asking of what are my personal standards for the point I raised? or you mean something different by it?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#57 - 2017-05-09 18:33:17 UTC
Ioannis Sepphiros wrote:

I must admit I dont follow your point at asking this.. Are you asking of what are my personal standards for the point I raised? or you mean something different by it?


I mean, you seem to be establishing a criterion for who should and shouldn't have a say in how our people attempt to move forward, resolve ancient grievances, and secure freedom for the rest of our people. And I'm just a bit curious as to a)how you think you're in a position to evaluate that criterion, and b)why that decision should be up to anyone but us.
Ioannis Sepphiros
Sapphire Interstellar Capital Holdings
#58 - 2017-05-09 18:53:41 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Ioannis Sepphiros wrote:

I must admit I dont follow your point at asking this.. Are you asking of what are my personal standards for the point I raised? or you mean something different by it?


I mean, you seem to be establishing a criterion for who should and shouldn't have a say in how our people attempt to move forward, resolve ancient grievances, and secure freedom for the rest of our people. And I'm just a bit curious as to a)how you think you're in a position to evaluate that criterion, and b)why that decision should be up to anyone but us.


Regarding point (A) I believe you are far from the mark of what I stated. I will encourage you to give some reading on what I said. I will simply assume that there has been some mixup due to how things may seem by text and will say that if anything gave you that impression, its a wrong one.

The only entertainment I will provide at this is that any criterion I may have is the one equivalently granted to anyone under a democratic regime despite where one has held his studies. What you imply with what you state is, again, way off the mark of my so far rhetoric.


Regarding point (B) I will simply elaborate that no decision belongs to anyone but only to everyone following the laws of the Republic and the power that is granted by those laws. And us are part of the decisionmaking one way or another as well, since we all are to a degree affected by those laws or may place pressure on those laws.

So elaborate more on point B if you may please, in case you think I havent understood what you meant by it but really I believe that my personal opinions on any matter that goes beyond the scope of what Captain Rhiannon has raised, would actually derail this thread and its something that I dont believe you would want to do so either.


Victoria Grey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2017-05-09 20:50:36 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Victoria Grey wrote:
What can we really do? Unify and Discuss. So really a merging of all three options. This isn't a solution so much as a first step to a resolution. I have no say in anything that the various Matari aligned corps and alliances want but from my viewpoint, why not combine efforts of both Electus Matari and Ushra'Khan?

I know that I may not be addressing the right people to suggest this but my honest opinion is the same as someone else on this thread: We need someone(s) influential/in the thick of things to come forward.

Combine their efforts to do what? Which way is forward?

I'm sorry if I am contrary and keep on coming back to this - but it is really at the heart of the issue. Combined forces doing ineffective things is just two times zero.


Agreed. I one hundred percent agree with you. Which is why I think that the two, maybe even three Alliances should come together, form a coalition and find another avenue for furthering the Matari ways and Republic Support.

It seems to me that the Toy War is absolutely ineffectual and is more a ploy to keep Capsuleers busy. Solution? Don't let it distract us. Mostly pull out. There will always be others defending the line and if the Republic actual cares two licks about the Toy War at all they'll add more Republic support for it. It may turn out that the Toy War is actually important but I really doubt it.

What I think would be a good avenue for solution? Make like... and I can't believe I'm saying this... but look at P.I.E. Sure they fight in the Toy War but them and the greater C.V.A. seem to be flourishing in space of their own. Strike out at Low and null sec housings of the Amarrian Loyalists who undoubtedly use the power and influence to strengthen and support the Slavers back in their home territories. All while Matari Loyalists are stuck in the toy War going no where.

Is this the right avenue? I don't know know, it might be a start. My point is that the first thing that needs to happen is for the powerhouses of -EM- and U'K to start talks on working together and from there a direction.

Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

I don't know what is the matter with people. I have said, repeatedly, that I do not think a solution exists. Yet some keep on asking me one, and others criticizing me of believing in silver bullets.

I am also not looking to go back to what we were. First, what has happened is part of our living tradition now, and you cannot just pretend it never happened - and second, it's not like we did not have problems those days too.

No, with "solution" I mean pretty much anything that is possible and does not mean the end of us as a free people.

I believe there are things that are possible. Things better at least than the stagnation. I posit at least a dialogue be opened up between interested parties.

Can this be done and how can my crew and I help?
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#60 - 2017-05-09 20:55:20 UTC
Could always go plonk down some Citadels in Great Wildlands and try to make something of the region like Provi did. Electus Matari has some industrial experience, so taking advantage of the region's resources and building it up to support the Tribes in the years to come would be a worthwhile endeavor.