Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am assuming you mean "has" and "no".

Given that, um, no they haven't and no we don't? I'm legitimately really struggling to find an example of anything CCP has ever given any kind of firm negative to or even a 'we really don't like this', that has later made it into the game. Do you happen to have any examples?

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after reading this far (the usual troll posts of course have been posted and by me ignored as is my personal policy). To those that honestly spoke for or against the idea, especially those providing reasons as to why i write the following:

I look at the world as it is and deal with it as such. Local is used as an intel tool it is why i have it open. I will keep using it as an intel tool regardless. All im asking for is that the tool take up less visual space. I have about 6 spreadsheets open at all times and most of them i can see no way to make them any smaller but removing friendlies from local would allow me to greatly reduce the size of local (as i mentioned it is often stretched from the bottom of my screen to the top)

I cannot of course speak for others but i have only on the rarest of occasions actually used local to speak to another person during my appoximately 4 years of playing eve, unlike WOW where i used local a lot, in EVE it is largely useless.

Someone mentioned that CCP never intended for local to provide free intel but you'd have to be a pretty low wattage bulb to not see that this was inevitable. Also, the map gives away so much free intel that if CCP does truly have something against free intel they have a very odd way of showing it.

TBH interaction is what makes eve different and more exciting and I wouldn't like this to change I'm just saying some may get involved in pvp but aren't going out looking for it ,possibly why a lot stay in high sec

Eve is for everybody that's why incursions anomalies and missions exist ,I'm sure if eve was pure pvp and mining only it would be much emptier .

To which CCP have responded with something along the lines of 'we aren't really happy with the role of local as an intel tool and we don't want to make it easier to use it as such, we want to replace it with more interesting mechanics'.

Local was something created back at the very start of the game, before any of the meta gameplay or anything like the current state of the game existed. It's *really easy* to look back and say "well this use of local is obvious" but it's way harder to go back to 2003 and look forward and see anything like what Eve was going to turn into.

Because anything that provides benefit with no risk, cost, reward, or investment required isn't in the spirit of Eve, and Intel is a very powerful combat tool.

CCP have flatly said that the current mechanics don't align with their vision of Eve, and looking at the chatter on the forums and around other community areas suggests that the majority of players agree with them, they just don't agree on how the situation should be addressed.



First of all, the devs arent working on anything interesting anyway. Have you seen the may update? Its a giant fiasco that brings nothing interesting to the table



No.

This is your opinion, not a fact. Just because you don't like what CCP is doing or where their priorities doesn't mean they're wasting their time or that anyone but a small minority agrees with you.

The new suns are probably the most broadly popular thing CCP have done in a year.

On a personal note I'm more excited about the Bloodraider Shipyards and what the tech behind them means for PvE in Eve than I've been about any change in the game since CCP announced the ship and module tiericide.

Just because there's nothing there for *you* personally that doesn't mean it's a bad update, not every update is going to have something for every player. Expecting them to is just unrealistic on your part.




As for the OP's suggestion, their reasoning is fair, but the effect of their change would be to make it *much* easier to use Local as an intel tool. You either fail to realize this or you're willfully ignoring it. CCP literally responded previously to a question at Fanfest (last year I believe) on filtering Local and similar options and shot it down with exactly the reasoning I'm presenting here.

They do not like Local's role as an intel tool, it wasn't intended but they're kind of stuck with it, given that they would like to change that role but for now they're leaving it, and they're certainly not going to buff it.

What should happen: get rid of local completely.

What ? Did u just say local is not for Intel ???

Local is mostly used for Intel purposes I would guess 99% of the time with the exception of gf's or trade Hub spam

I said this in Corp chat a few days ago, let me sort by blue, green, purple, orange, red, etc and then invert just like sorting items so I can have reds at the top of my list.

No good reason against it except wah change.

I stand by the my request but will consider this thread closed.


My only last words regard the statement below:




I appreciate your words and respect your opinion. What im going to say is not intended to be harsh nor confrontational but only as advice about argumentative form. Your words can either stand on their own or not, either way you need not reference the, "the majority of players.." or any similar wording or referencing.

Your words need no bolstering by some unfathomable 'others' opinion to make them strong, just the opposite actually occurs, your own beliefs become overshadowed by this fictional knowledge of what the masses believe.

Cheers, Ramukan.