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"PLEX can no longer be used for Character transfer fee payments"

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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#101 - 2017-05-08 18:23:47 UTC
BSchneider wrote:
JuckFames 315 wrote:
Ok lets cut to the chase here how many have you even pay for your account or spend any RL money on the game? If no then please shut up you are not allowed to have an opinion because companies can not and will not be able to support a game where the majority of the player base do not make a monetary contribution. Stuff doesn't just run for free. If people wish for it to continue to be free for all to play and not spend any type of money on the game 1 of 2 things will happen the game ceases to exist or it becomes an AD driven game like every other Facebook or mobile game.

It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. If you asked me the only thing in game currency should be able buy would be anything made and/or produced in game period and that there also should be a cap on total currency/storage allowed on alpha accounts. Yes the player base may drop at first but it will weed out anyone who plays this game for making a profit off of it and allow people who actually enjoy playing the game to keep playing.

CCP you have one heck of a great game Big smile with lots of different aspects to take part in at any given time. And yes there are few bugs here and there heck even the big AAA title games have problems but those guys just milk people for money on rehashed garbage while you guys work to improve a single game that has existed for this long. I will continue to pay my sub for my accounts with RL money WHY because this game offers so many options for just 1 person to be active in and I know that money will be used to help improve the game and its many adventures in space a person could have.



I completely agree - well said pilot o7


Plex in fact does mean real money is being spent on the game. I would expect this to be fixed "relatively" soon. It will cost CCP some actual money in the interim while it is being addressed and will certainly have an effect on plex prices. The real danger for CCP is this will cause a certain amount of RMT character trading which is what the whole 2 plex to transfer beat dead several years ago. It will rise up from the ashes and need to be squashed again.

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Nova Valentis
No Overly Valuable Assets
#102 - 2017-05-08 18:47:56 UTC
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#103 - 2017-05-08 19:09:17 UTC
I wonder if this oversight has more implications than just character trading. There's more stuff that PLEX was used for, such as P4G, FF, AT and other events.

Are we going to find that CCP forgot to tell us some other important failure of the system at the last second? "Oh, sorry guys, you can't PLEX for the Alliance Tournament. Just send $20, instead."

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k898
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2017-05-08 19:18:25 UTC
Im happy you have added using real-life money. But to completely remove the PLEX element is stupid and wrong. I have paid a couple of thousand in my EVE history. I now have enough ISK to manage most of my characters (tho i do sub some with RL money to help CCP) but it dont want to pay more money to move an account between characters
Roxie Glitz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2017-05-08 19:45:11 UTC
CCPls don't go through with this. I love the character bazaar and this change will kill it.
Othran
Route One
#106 - 2017-05-08 20:25:45 UTC
Mmm seems like a "lets monetise this, 0.2% (example) of the subscribers use it" play from CCP to me.

Of course I'm an incorrigable cynic when it comes to CCP since "Greed is Good" hit the fan....
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2017-05-08 20:31:48 UTC
Nova Valentis wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/69ysbh/tears_starting_tomorrow_we_will_only_be_able_to/

that guy makes sense, please listen CCP.

Character transfers hardly qualify as in-game actions. If so, can you give me the lore for it? It's an out-of-game account service. Nevertheless as other account services can be paid for with ISK via PLEX, this feature should be restored.

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Jonatan Reed
Wildcard.
Boundary Experts
#108 - 2017-05-08 21:33:33 UTC
This is an obvious attempt for CCP to monetize something completely that was only partially monetized before because of PLEX.

This is just a cash grab and it's really bad that CCP thinks they can just pass it off as an oversight.

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48and87rock Dingus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2017-05-08 22:16:48 UTC
Jonatan Reed wrote:
This is an obvious attempt for CCP to monetize something completely that was only partially monetized before because of PLEX.

This is just a cash grab and it's really bad that CCP thinks they can just pass it off as an oversight.


This.

Also we all know that after this issue has faded from the spot light ccp will never actually do anything about it. So many times they have said that we will look at something in the future and haven't. Do the right thing ccp and fix this now.

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#110 - 2017-05-08 22:22:31 UTC
it really does need to be fixed, considering what sparked the summer of rage ( i believe that was the terminology)

"Greed is good", but is it really?

If it comes way too slow, or never gets fixed.

Does character bazaar just go away?
or
Does monuments in game get another face lift?
Zhele Jamohrr
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#111 - 2017-05-08 22:29:03 UTC
It's OK that you make mistakes, CCP. It's... unprofessional at best... that you handle them in this manner.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#112 - 2017-05-08 22:32:35 UTC
k898 wrote:
Im happy you have added using real-life money. But to completely remove the PLEX element is stupid and wrong. I have paid a couple of thousand in my EVE history. I now have enough ISK to manage most of my characters (tho i do sub some with RL money to help CCP) but it dont want to pay more money to move an account between characters
You've been able to use real money to cover character transfers for years so it's not an addition at all.

If the "we're looking into it" is anything like the paypal "promise" I doubt we'll see PLEX returning as a payment method for character transfers.

It looks like CCP's solution to reimbursing removed aurum by splitting PLEX has come back to bite them in the arse.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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forums
#113 - 2017-05-09 00:35:25 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Kinga Artrald wrote:
This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead?


20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP


The PLEX was already paid for by someone who sold it for ISK

this is a new sale

PLEX could change hands in game a million times and CCP doesn't make any money, they don't make any money when it's used either , they just make money when they sell things , like PLEX or Character Transfers for cash
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#114 - 2017-05-09 01:16:26 UTC
forums wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Kinga Artrald wrote:
This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead?


20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP


The PLEX was already paid for by someone who sold it for ISK

this is a new sale

PLEX could change hands in game a million times and CCP doesn't make any money, they don't make any money when it's used either , they just make money when they sell things , like PLEX or Character Transfers for cash
What it does for CCP and for the game when PLEX is used for a character transfer is remove 2.5 billion ISK from the economy. This a good thing from my perspective.

As for the "new sale" thing. That assumes people will still be trading characters and moving them from one account to the other.

Pretty unlikely.

So reduced new sales and reduced ISK sink with no nerf that I've seen to ISK creation. Not exactly top shelf economic theory.

Mr Epeen Cool
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#115 - 2017-05-09 01:57:11 UTC
forums wrote:

The PLEX was already paid for by someone who sold it for ISK

this is a new sale

PLEX could change hands in game a million times and CCP doesn't make any money, they don't make any money when it's used either , they just make money when they sell things , like PLEX or Character Transfers for cash

PLEX appear on the income reports CCP have put out as deferred revenue. So while $20 in (a reduced number of) new sales is a big deal, transferring $40 from deferred revenue into realized revenue is no small thing, either.

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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2017-05-09 02:39:02 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.

The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile

What about resculpts? Why is it gonna cost 500olex now, it was only 1000 aurum before.
Why are you astronomically rising prices on that.
That should be available for free or a small isk fee in the customization options we already have. Customization in general needs to be overhauled.
Loroseco Kross
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#117 - 2017-05-09 03:00:31 UTC
My gilded, 300+ upvote reddit thread on the issue

A 440+ upvote reddit thread posted upon the release of the patch notes.

I hope that together, these two threads are enough to prove to you that this issue deserves more of a response than "We're not committed to a timeline". You're allowed to make mistakes, but being unwilling to fix them is not appreciated.

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CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2017-05-09 04:05:53 UTC
Im new
What is Character transfer free?
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#119 - 2017-05-09 04:10:00 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Kinga Artrald wrote:
This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead?


20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP

CCP won't "lose" on this. The cost to transfer will be equal to the cost of 2 plex today. Depending on where in the world you live, that cost can be $35US = $48AU.

$50 to transfer a character? Extractors are looking good...

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Sister Stetille
Doomheim
#120 - 2017-05-09 04:46:43 UTC
Someone had asked about the comparison of cost to transfer SP through Character Bazaar and Injections. Assuming that a person trains 1.5m SP in a month and an Injector = 1000 Aurum = .3 PLEX then. In a month, you can train 3 Injectors worth of SP, add in the PLEX to train the skills. This translates to each Injector being worth 0.63 PLEX.

5m SP transfer

In Character Bazaar, a 5m SP char would take 3.33 Months to create, add 2 PLEX to transfer and it cost you 5.33 PLEX
In Injectors, it would take 9 injectors or 5.7 PLEX

50m SP transfer

Character Bazaar, 33.3 Months training and 2 PLEX transfer = 35.3 PLEX.
Injectors, first 5m is still 9 injectors, next 45m is 112.5 injectors, totaling 121.5 injectors or 77 PLEX

80m SP transfer

Character Bazaar, 53.33 months training and 2 PLEX transfer = 55.33 PLEX
Injectors, first 50m SP is still 121.5 Injectors, next 30m are 100 Injectors, totalling 221.5 Injectors or 140 PLEX

This change makes CCP a lot more money just to transfer SP between characters, especially for high SP character transfers.