EVE General Discussion

Nah. The bounty system is just irrelevant.

The most important avenue of policing in highsec are wardecs and kill rights. Adding transferrable kill rights would make things even better, but that doesn't mean the current mechanics are broken.

I suppose you could argue that people would shoot -5s more if the bounty system was working, but I doubt it. There's already rewards for doing so, and people can't be bothered to do it anyway.

How very apt: Transferable Kill Rights

And you know what, I'm thankfull you are.

Aw, boo hoo, truth hurts don't it? *throws hankies into the thread*

Yes, I'm aware of the current proccesses. Can I ask how I can possibly be complacent about it if I'm actively trying to do something to correct the problems? And how is it cowardice if I'm trying to find opportunities to actively promote the confrontation with criminals with an effective policing process. Surely its the veteran griefer who ganks the month old new player in a soft target at significant profit and maintains control of the conflict by choosing these weaker targets, leaving them with no real sensible way of responding with the current systems who is the coward, especially moreso if its gank related.

And my main motivations are not personal, I have no personal "axe to grind" so to speak, I'm just sick of the griefers abusing the absence of effective systems. And pretty much allowing for those individuals who wish to focus in certain areas of the game the opportunites they need for making a sacrifice to activites with a more industrial focus needed in this game, whereas some simply discredit these roles.

So I assume from your dissaproval this means that the injection of PvP this could cause is not something wanted by the PvP focussed? I would find this strange really that the criminally inclined might have PvP avoidance tendencies (theres a word for this kind of behaviour). Perhaps then the idea of any revived effective policing system is already making it effects known then if your already afraid of the possible ramifications that players might be able to react to nefarious criminal activities in a sensible way with a working bounty and related systems.

I mean seriously its not like I'm attempting to stop you from doing the things you do. Its just that finally the systems supposed to make you aware of the consequences of criminal choices will hopefully finally have the opportunity to have some meaning as opposed to the effective inconsequential treatment presently afforded to certain criminal activities.

Thank you for supporting the idea in prinicpal.

I'm actually liking Malcanis' manifesto on High sec and his proposed system(s) for re-addressing the current faultering bounty system (links above), which I think accomodates the ship issue you mentioned. But best check the details for yourself.

I'm not adverse to transferring kill rights at all and reasonably expect that services rendered will likley incur a cost outside of any direct personal application.

I'm also not foolish enough to think the correcting of bounty systems will in any way be a total method of prevention to the concept of eliminating crime either, not that naive. All this will allow is an extra level of consideration to the consequences of criminal actions that has been laughably missing as a mechanic due to the current version which is so problematic it can reward the criminal.

In my view, It would simply be an additional optional empowerment to those who haven't the capability currently due to the ineffective systems. Hopefully simultaneously adding more fun into the mix. But griefers will find every loophole or wring every drop out of the process to minimse it effects to them in any system, only to be expected, as I know how cunning they are in this regard.

They probably have spreadsheets with lists of viable targets based on their solo or gang fits on their walls. Right next to the clubbed seal trophy. (jokingly)



I have checked your board now and it looks impressive and without any real signs of any griefing activities, in fact it seems you relish the "fair fight" if not more of a challenge which I find commendable, so please accept my apologies for making an invalid assumption.

Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. Maybe eve is revenge driven economics, like the butterfly effect trailer.
Or maybe eve just allows you to mold sand into anything you wish, the criminals in eve are not immune to their grief tactics.
Anything that is aggressive or too good at hunting will quickly burn out the supply of goodies.

When I started I can can flipped, then I adjusted tactics, moved further out, eventually realized that mining is a dead end position and moved to something more profitable. Low sec and null sec have plenty of gold, true, but you will definitely LOSE ships, by design.

Highsec on the other hand does not match low or nullsec rewards but it's slow and steady UP ticks in ISK, if you play right.

You can make money fast and with high risk, or slow with low risk. Also if everyone in game was safe from ganks the market would gank you anyway becuase there would be no demand for ships or minerals.

I think it's even too generous that insured ships exist but that is just me.

Well I'm not advocating "safety" from ganks am I? I'm not trying to prevent it. Besides ganks in essence only account for gangs overpowering targets, so I'm assuming you must be refering to only suicide ganks?

Likewise I wouldn't be so sure that suicide ganks generate all the demand in the game, what about all the wars going on or other PvP related events, PvE losses and use of consumables will still need to be included even if largley to be expected not as significant, what if people invested their time into non-criminal related PvP instead?

Also with the introduction of an effective bounty system its principally adding more intended "destruction" into the mix, which if anything will likley increase demand. Though I suppose I have to assume the idea of a working player policing system might deter a few from their activities. Largley I'd expect they'd just move to an equivalent type of PvP destruction, like working for mercs, or they might just continue of course but adjust their activities with more caution deserved of the risk associated with a criminal act. But the possible new effects are all speculation of course so I wont place too much emphasis on it.

Despite that if industrial players were allowed to focus better on their production the net effect would be that they are capable of producing other items rather than replacing their losses to infrastructure, and potentially helping the "war machine" as the increase in competition due to the volume of resources being focused there would increase. The attacking of industrials or interivalry would still go on in auspice of the war declarations etc. I'm sure.

Of course you could turn the argument on its head and say well if we suicide ganked all industrials then you would end up with the situation that there is insufficient resources and activity in the industrial base to actually accomodate production and prices would sky rocket due to the loss of production or supply, maybe seeing the lack of items actually needed.

I also think that some people who obviously dont devote their game time to industrial activities (for whatever reason, np) might not be aware of the time and resources invested to actually be effective as it takes infrastructure and a large chunk of time. Sucide ganks take seconds I guess (according to the Concord responce times), and then what 20 - 30 mins potentially for the goods to get sold? (guessing but whatever). So the butterfly effect as you like to provide as an example certainly can have more of an impact in terms of recovery for the industrialist especially when in theory you should be effecting more assests of theirs and having "loot" to boot.

But it is not and hasn't been my intention to argue a case for the cessation of all criminal activities, that isn't the purpose of this thread or my ambitions with correcting bounty systems. Just saying that your assumption on the effects to the economy are rather extreme and opinionated.

this game is full of sociopaths!!! its gotten so bad its like theyve formed an enduring and cooperating social group whose members have developed organized patterns of relationships through interaction with one another!!!

and the cowardly gankers...dont get me started...i refuse to play this game until ccp makes me 100% safe from these cowards period!!! who is with me?

but the worst is the stupid idiot griefers...these idiots are stupid enough to use eve game mechanics to blow up peoples' stuff. how stupid can you get??

in short well organized groups of sociopathic cowardly idiots are sometimes blowing up the pixelated assets of much better socially adapted braver smarter players...this game is broke

I am not in empire. I was rhetorically saying that if you hate me (the collective 'me', as in 'a pilot') enough to want me dead, there is literally nothing that can stop you if you're dedicated enough. And I couldn't care less about the bounty system because it's a dumb system to begin with. Mercenaries are a far better choice.

Certainly his name "Olleybear" in a corp called "I R' Carebear" did not hint at his gaming attitude.