Missions & Complexes

I tried a Blood Port in Nidhoggur just to test it out, and soon as my drones are launched, the NPCs shoot the wimpy fighters at 3m each. It wouldn't even be economical if I just let them die.

Fighters in general are way too weak. Anyone want to buy a nidhoggur?

tree fiddy point oh one

Have you actually ratted recently? Cause I ratted a month or two ago in a carrier and the rats took 2-3 mins to aggress. I do the Port last night and literally as soon as my fighters are launched they attack the fighters.

Dont think there's much that can be done there if cruisers/BCs immediately aggress fighters.

WTB NSA?

Recently, you mean like last week (in a carrier, like I said, I don't carrier rat much).

You are missing the fact that you put your carrier into a "drone shredder" anomaly (aka and anom with lots of small NPCs) , watched you fighters get shredded, then made a thread about how bad carrier ratting is.

What I and others are saying is that you are simply doing it wrong, you should be in a more carrier friendly anom (sanctum, haven, forsaken hub etc). Do it right 1st and see if you like it, and if you don't then we can talk about what's wrong with it.

Edit: Watch this video, says it better than i can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7mYoO2tUbE

I've never done a level 5 mission. How about those?

when your rat you are shooting gets in structure, hold W and click on the pirate gate in the rock haven (or whatever from the site you are doing, it could even be a wreck), your fighters won't ever stop moving. If you wait until the rat dies, then tell the fighters to attack the next one, you will have a delay of at least one second, which especially if that was the last rat of the spawn could mean one of your fighters gets alphaed, especially if you are in a nid rather than a thanny (which gets the durability bonus).

So just stay one step ahead and always have something selected to make your fighters orbit, you don't have to select it you can just hold W and click on anything, but you want your fighters close to the next rat spawn that is coming, since travel time will lower your DPS.

no, you're too weak

This really contributes nothing to the discussion at hand, and if you think a carrier nerf is going to do anything at all to stem the tide of isk growth from bounties then you don't understand what is going on in nullsec well enough. These ships are used in PVP too, so we are frustrated the entire capital PVP meta was changed without actually solving the problem they were trying to solve.

The only things that would really work are if we made a few fundamental changes: 1. sites need respawn timers, 2. Ihub bills need to be progressive on the amount of ratting done, AND they need to increase each bill on the amount of Ihubs owned. 3. Drones need to be made to not have assignment and no autoattack, make people lock and tell the drones to engage like every other weapons system. 4. Rats need to have their respawn placement happen in such a way that multiboxed smartbomb battleships can't run anoms.

If you do all of those things above, then maybe you will address the bounty problem, but no nerf to ships in the game will actually do it.

That being said, Carriers are still decent for making isk, just switch your ratting to a thanny with a fighter durability mod and you shouldn't have too much issue. Of course, me and all the others who have a good amount of isk are just going to use multiboxed ishtars, with those you can even scale it up without much diminishing return, unlike a carrier which at least required you to actively tell your fighters what to do. Or smartbomb ratting I suppose, that is pretty lucrative too.

Clearly don't know how to use your carrier effectively, I still have absolutely no trouble running Drone Hordes without losing even 1 fighter, you need to take out frigate rats first, Battleships won't track your fighters for ****