EVE General Discussion

Because we all know that cyno jammers, bubbles and intel channels come free with sov...

But really, the players out in null (not just null, this applies to lowsec and wh space) make it safe for themselves and their alliance. Incursion runners are protected by concord. One is automatic and the other requires effort and team work.

Sounds like the intended way of dealing with an incursion, kill it off as soon as possible.


The only reason you're thinking this is "punishing the normal player" is because you want to milk it.


As I was saying, milking it.


Tinfoil Hats Inc. is thaddaway. Down the hall, second door to the left.

What im most dissapointed about overall is that NO ONE IS BLOODY WARDECCING US!! I mean come on people we make you cry, the least you could do is war dec us and fight us to vent your frustration!

On another note,
When incursions started i didnt think they would be around all the time, i mean how long will a nation continue invading another nation for? Always thought that after a few months the incursions would stop all together... but maybe thats a bit to realistic?

Imagine the tears if incursions stopped all together? Oh how glorious!

There's been tears becuse an incursion didn't respawn for A FULL DAY.

I applaud D3 (for csm7) in his fine work

whats funny is i was on comms talking to them while trying to run incursions while they were popping the MS at the same time

and i didnt even know it!

bastids stole my isks

but <3 em

To throw a couple of ideas out here,

Why not have a multiplier on incursion rewards depending on how red/blue the bar is? Rewards start at 100% and decrease to 40-50% over time.

Sure, run sites as fast as you like. You'll still be capped at 40-50m/h income, because, frankly, you've been farming them to death.

Better yet, have a time multiplier on all rewards of the incursion. Take a week over killing the mothership? CONCORD have been instructed that, due to the fact that so many citizens were abducted, they are only to pay out 50% of your rewards. Pay out ISK when incursion is over (remove the 'mothership must be killed restriction' perhaps, so that people can run the odd site and still receive the rewards, even if they can't pull together a fleet capable of killing the mothership. Small gang activity: ninja run incursions in null!) as well, so that multipliers apply to this. Maybe 24 hour grace period of 100%, then a decrease of 1%/hour thereafter.

Or how about we have sec status vary with incursions? Lose 0.1 sec/hour (because variable sec status would make this game interesting) and that way any hisec system will, after a couple of days, be losec. Incursions would probably be tidied up just in time for the sec status to not drop below 0.5, but meh. That's life.


Maybe you could limit the number of sites in total, thereby removing infinite-spawns. Whilst you're at it, limit the number of missions any agent can give out per day. The first removes incursion profiteering, the second means that you have to use - oh noes! - more than one mission agent. Maybe you might have to use more than one corporation to mission with. How terrible for all those people that just want to sit in a single system all day farming l4's.

I digress away from incursions however, so to bring it back to incursions..

Tidy up AI. AI should receive a boost, and start targeting intelligently. Lets have some more jammers, lets have those jammers hitting logi ships and guns hitting a different target to break up the rr chains. The guy who suggested the mothership cynos into whichever site has the highest value ships is a great idea. It would shake up incursions again, and mean that suddenly the incursion is actually more of a problem.

Tidy up the vast expanse of 'known knowledge' about incursions. Randomise spawns slightly. Do the same to all PvE content. I fly in wormholes on a couple of alts, and we do get random spawns there. The extra battleship that turns an easy site into one that actually requires you to wake up a bit in certain C2 anomalies for example. That kind of 'extra on-top' ship appearing to give a boost to dps would be nice.

Decrease the ability to blitz, increase rewards. 3 minutes a site is ridiculous. Maybe remove blitz-ability somehow - accel. gates and multi-room sites? Randomised triggers? Time triggers? Time triggers would be good, allowing smaller gangs without shiny faction fit ships to complete sites only marginally slower.

Maybe randomise how the sites spawn across the constellation. Having a set system for VG's means that you can just sit in that system all day. Create a more dynamic, fluid, feeling to incursions and split up the spawns across the constellation, similar to how explorers suspect wormhole site spawn mechanics work.

GATE RATS IN HISEC because then there'd be another reason for incursions to be dealt with relatively quickly. Make sure these rats scram as well please. It'll keep us all on our toes during incursions.


This post is intended to be a compilation of ideas that I've heard from guys I fly with and things that occurred to me as I read through this thread. There are lots of contradictions, or things that wouldn't work well as one cohesive unit in this post, and - obviously - I don't think that doing everything listed would be any better than doing none of it.

This is an awesome idea

@ OP - Have you considered running any of the other incursions that are still active? Or perhaps look into a secondary source of income.

Making the PVE harder won't make the farming problem go away, unless something is done to incursions to make it possible for incursion runners have to actually shoot other players at some point the risk involved in running incursions will still be virtually nil.

I think Incursions would be a great way to get the Jove involved with the game. Could have them warp in after a set amount of time and chase the dirty Sansha back where they belong since it doesn't seem Concord is going to do anything about the Sansha. Of course, the farmers still wouldn't like it since they couldn't farm the ISK any longer.