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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#161 - 2012-01-23 12:12:43 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence.

I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again.

True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible

That's your stated purpose isn't it?

Are you actually thinking that because we're goons (and we're not just goons, we're the entire CFC), we're supposed to go out and make our own lives as miserable as possible?

Yeah, I can't explain this to you, can I?


As we are discusing bots, I think you have made things perfectly clear, no need for any further explanation I feel

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Hicksimus
Torgue
#162 - 2012-01-23 12:13:06 UTC
Both suck and are full of morons, choose wormhole space.

Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2012-01-23 12:15:00 UTC
Number one-
risk to reward ratio is off. You can play this game for years and succeed, without ever leaving high sec. The idea of increasing reward for increasing risk (low and null) doesn't work very well in practice. Very specific ambitions require dangerous space- like owning sov- but simply put- getting rich or getting to some end game content doesn't require you leave high sec. In fact, as many people say- often they leave low or null to go back to high sec because they can make even more there without the risk

Number two-
Eve is a bit too big for it's player base. With so many systems, plexes, worm holes, and such- that there is no real limit to resources. There is no competition either. Even in low or null, there just isn't much reason to fight for resources. You can simply jump a couple systems over and probably find a local that's been empty all day. If someone can flips you in high sec, there are probably a dozen more belts right there, and a dozen in every system around you. Fight? Just move on.

Number three-
The grind to jump clones. When they say 'never fly what you can't afford to lose', what that means isn't ships (those last seconds sometimes) but jump clones. The single biggest hurdle to jumping into even small time PvP- is being able to put your implant clone on ice.
But this grind is just crazy. Getting standing is universally called 'Grinding' for good reason! It's a chore, not an adventure. I know people like to shoot pods- but then don't be surprised when so many people don't want PvP- not because it's not cool and all- but because they didn't want to grind boring PvE just to get a clone so they can enjoy PvP.

Number four-
To the blob FC, goes the spoils- if you even find a target.
These forums are a testament to the lackluster PvP experience once you do venture out of Empire. Targets can be few and far between, or just a blob that's bigger than yours.
There is always a fear of being just too low SP to 'make it' out there- which sometimes, sadly, can be true.

Lastly, five-
Sorry if it stings- but the people out there can be the biggest reason not to go. It's easier to be a casual player in high sec. Out in null, you find a lot more of the people that run a bunch of accounts and a platoon of alts. I've honestly seen 20 ship fleets that were a few dudes and their alts far more often than 20 actual players in a fleet.
Null, at least in my limited experience was either all end game level toons, or low SP toons hoping for better rewards for their increased risk.
Not many 'middling' toons.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#164 - 2012-01-23 12:16:54 UTC
Personally I love null, it all comes down to where you live and who you join.

Lots of small to mid size gang PVP where I am, I have been in CVA for two months+ and I havent been in a single blob fest, its not really that common, as for all these valuable moons you speak of, lol moons & Providence.

No there isn't a ship replacement programme, but 13 mil per tick on sansha hubs means making money aint hard, got Nightmare BPC, Slave Gamma, 21st Tier Tag, and TS LAR drops this weeked too Bear

Thats More than a bil right there, for not much time investment.

Its all up to what you want, but CTAs are not lag fests round here, and our Alliance CEO is a very personable.
pussnheels
Viziam
#165 - 2012-01-23 12:18:02 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Still not getting it.

Seriously, take off your tinfoilhat already and eat your damn anti-bitter pill.

nope not getting it obvious two completely different and conflicting views

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2012-01-23 12:19:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
pussnheels wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:

You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Instead we get players like you constantly bleating about how the big bad goons touched you. Scaring potential players into staying in those ridiculous npc corps, playing solo for 6 months and get bored shitless by the 10% of the game they actually experience. I know for a fact thats what happens because its what happened to me in my first year of playing and I left. Granted I came back and found a good corp to hang around in with other players until i realised i wanted more pvp.

Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game.



That is your view on the game
My view is that CCP created this game with 3 distinctive areas each with their own different playingstyles
Your saying highsec dwellers only participate in 10% of the game , same can be said about nullsec dwellers who probavbly are using less than 5% of the game , that is if you include counting the plexes you run in between blobs
Granted finding the right and a good corp is essential to enjoy the game fullest , but why then did CCP create a whole player driven economy when this game is only about pvp and nullsec like you say
Should be really easy just to delete all high sec industry , you get rid of all those annoying miners / industry characters and lets do away with all lvl2 lvl 3 and lvl 4 missions move them to low sec and npc nullsec no more npc corp missionrunners hooorah
Now we got rid of all those carebears whinners , ultimate win for all those hardcore pvp only idiots
and what next , you really think CCP can support and keep expanding this game when they just lost 80 % of their subscribers


Whoever said industry is pve? Industry is pvp in it's own right. The way I see it, hisec is the training grounds, it lets you get a feel for the game. Nullsec is pretty much the end game, an end game you can jump into at any given time at any given skill level you just gotta have the right friends and the right help/team work. There's plenty of industry for people to do out here, the scales just a little larger.

Who ever said I'm pvp only? Granted like i said there's only so much killing npc's i can do. But I like the occasional plex and I wanna have a go at incursions. Between blobs, though? Bollocks! Small roaming gang warfare's where it's at. Large fleets are equally as awesome if just for the scale of them...

People forget this is a pvp orientated game, has been from the start. Hence the whole non-consentive pvp thing. PVP isnt limited to blowing eachother up either. If it's undisturbed, minimal risk pve you want I suggest you find another game. But its not like hisec should be deleted, its just there should be much less stagnation in it and lot more movement outwards.

p.s. in order to do that risk/reward needs to be changed. People in hisec can keep their level 4s, just provide more incentive for the potentially adventurous to move out into low/null and wormhole space.

Professor Alphane wrote:


As we are discusing bots, I think you have made things perfectly clear, no need for any further explanation I feel


Good job mister reporter, I think you just hit the big story! Maybe someday you could be as awesome as riverini and finally bring down the botting conglomerate that is nullsec.

Or you could just leave your tinfoil hat at the door...
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#167 - 2012-01-23 12:34:12 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:


Or you could just leave your tinfoil hat at the door...


Sorry I've invested a lot in Tinfoil hat production, need to keep the market on it's toes you know Blink

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pussnheels
Viziam
#168 - 2012-01-23 12:45:28 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Whoever said industry is pve? Industry is pvp in it's own right. The way I see it, hisec is the training grounds, it lets you get a feel for the game. Nullsec is pretty much the end game, an end game you can jump into at any given time at any given skill level you just gotta have the right friends and the right help/team work. There's plenty of industry for people to do out here, the scales just a little larger.

Who ever said I'm pvp only? Granted like i said there's only so much killing npc's i can do. But I like the occasional plex and I wanna have a go at incursions. Between blobs, though? Bollocks! Small roaming gang warfare's where it's at. Large fleets are equally as awesome if just for the scale of them...

People forget this is a pvp orientated game, has been from the start. Hence the whole non-consentive pvp thing. PVP isnt limited to blowing eachother up either. If it's undisturbed, minimal risk pve you want I suggest you find another game. But its not like hisec should be deleted, its just there should be much less stagnation in it and lot more movement outwards.

p.s. in order to do that risk/reward needs to be changed. People in hisec can keep their level 4s, just provide more incentive for the potentially adventurous to move out into low/null and wormhole space.



Some good valid points you made there
Indeed EVE is a pvp orientated game i fully agree , so is economy in this game but why draw the line there , industry and mining are just as competitive as selling and buying or blowing up other persons ships ...right
What this game really needs is a revival of nullsec industry beyond moongoo,
Not only will nullsec alliances attract more and better recruits/members , most of them more than willing to take up arms to protect their precious favorite mining systems , , overall it will make nullsec alliances less dependable on high sec and give more opportunity to fight over rescources
it will also enforce the risk vs reward factor
But alot of things need to change for that not only gamemechanics but also and certainly mentallity

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2012-01-23 12:46:40 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence.

I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again.

True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible

That's your stated purpose isn't it?

Are you actually thinking that because we're goons (and we're not just goons, we're the entire CFC), we're supposed to go out and make our own lives as miserable as possible?

Yeah, I can't explain this to you, can I?


As we are discusing bots, I think you have made things perfectly clear, no need for any further explanation I feel

No, we were discussing making the lives of eachother internally within the CFC more of a grind (there are more than enough bitchfights and whines internally to sort out if we're not going to add even more work every time some ****** shoots another ******. Report the ****** and be done with it, let CCP fulfill their end of the bargain) vs griefing everyone who aren't our friends. Everyone but our friends sounds just a tad more interesting.

But, what exactly do you think I do in my day to day life in EVE?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#170 - 2012-01-23 12:50:08 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:


But, what exactly do you think I do in my day to day life in EVE?



Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2012-01-23 12:51:17 UTC
Shoot blues erreyday
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2012-01-23 12:55:58 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion.

So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-01-23 12:56:27 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
Shoot blues erreyday

Shoot vile rat, tell everyone.

Wait, no, that's not the right order.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2012-01-23 13:02:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
pussnheels wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Whoever said industry is pve? Industry is pvp in it's own right. The way I see it, hisec is the training grounds, it lets you get a feel for the game. Nullsec is pretty much the end game, an end game you can jump into at any given time at any given skill level you just gotta have the right friends and the right help/team work. There's plenty of industry for people to do out here, the scales just a little larger.

Who ever said I'm pvp only? Granted like i said there's only so much killing npc's i can do. But I like the occasional plex and I wanna have a go at incursions. Between blobs, though? Bollocks! Small roaming gang warfare's where it's at. Large fleets are equally as awesome if just for the scale of them...

People forget this is a pvp orientated game, has been from the start. Hence the whole non-consentive pvp thing. PVP isnt limited to blowing eachother up either. If it's undisturbed, minimal risk pve you want I suggest you find another game. But its not like hisec should be deleted, its just there should be much less stagnation in it and lot more movement outwards.

p.s. in order to do that risk/reward needs to be changed. People in hisec can keep their level 4s, just provide more incentive for the potentially adventurous to move out into low/null and wormhole space.



Some good valid points you made there
Indeed EVE is a pvp orientated game i fully agree , so is economy in this game but why draw the line there , industry and mining are just as competitive as selling and buying or blowing up other persons ships ...right
What this game really needs is a revival of nullsec industry beyond moongoo,
Not only will nullsec alliances attract more and better recruits/members , most of them more than willing to take up arms to protect their precious favorite mining systems , , overall it will make nullsec alliances less dependable on high sec and give more opportunity to fight over rescources
it will also enforce the risk vs reward factor
But alot of things need to change for that not only gamemechanics but also and certainly mentallity


Exactly! That's why most players complain about high sec and its players. Both sides need improvement from ccp to make them more dynamic an in turn fun. One of the major problems with it at the moment and one of the heated is subjects is incursions. People are going bat **** cus their easy source of relatively safe isk, by relatively safe i mean not having to constantly watch your back. I dont mind having to watch my back, but it kind of pisses on my bonfire when someones making more without that risk. But then again, im not saying incursions in themselves are bad, theyre a brilliant idea in making people work together for more fun and reward and I reckon is probably one of the better ways of getting people into gang pvp and the fundamentals that go with it. I.E. "if shooting red crosses is this much fun with a team, then i wonder what it's like when someones flying that ship". But that kind of failed when it became a grind for easy isk.

This game has always been, greater risk greater reward. Take that risk with a team and it multiplies. The reward isnt always isk either...

Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion.

So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it?


He's gotta be trolling, no way someones that stupid/ignorant/concieted...
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#175 - 2012-01-23 13:02:52 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion.

So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it?


No it's a joke mate, lighten up, as I say what you actually occupy your ingame time doing is hardley relevant to the disscusion.

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2012-01-23 13:04:45 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion.

So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it?


No it's a joke mate, lighten up, as I say what you actually occupy your ingame time doing is hardley relevant to the disscusion.


It kind of is though, the miss information about what happens in null is what keeps people out of it, hence this topic.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2012-01-23 13:15:07 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Ohh I'm guessing either botting or something totally irrelevant to the disscusion.

So because I'm in null, I'm automatically a botter, is that it?


No it's a joke mate, lighten up, as I say what you actually occupy your ingame time doing is hardley relevant to the disscusion.

You say "it's just a joke", but have you seen how many people seem to unironically angrypost about how many bots there are in null, how everyone there is just botting etc?

Nevermind that if you're going to go for steady income, botting L4s would probably be better as you've got the protection of hisec (which isn't absolute, no, but unless you're ******** and pimp out your ride, you'll be fine. Or you've attracted someone's anger. vOv), and a steady supply of predictable and farmable missions. And logistics won't suck as much either, it's much easier to get a new ship or more missiles etc.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Rune Scorpio
Fixers Corporation
Pillars of Liberty
#178 - 2012-01-23 17:09:37 UTC
Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#179 - 2012-01-23 17:18:24 UTC
Rune Scorpio wrote:
Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too.

Why when we can run incursions instead?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2012-01-23 17:19:25 UTC
Rune Scorpio wrote:
Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too.

This is a well thought out and well argumented proposal, I'll get on it right away.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat