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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#401 - 2012-01-23 11:13:56 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Jo Hei wrote:
Elisha Starkiller wrote:

so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....


This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU.

Well, given that its currently being controlled by an 'elite' cliche that utterly control who can run incursions, and will ban you for agreeing that just perhaps, they should be ended when the mom spawned because, well, thats how its supposed to happen(or the mom wouldn't spawn for days) who are utterly disrupting peoples homes for an extended period because they are deliberately prolonging the penalties to people who aren't incursion runners...

Thats rather a problem, when you can be banned from this activity for disagreeing with someone.


Guy has a valid concern.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, that mega BTL ban list has people on it with reasons listed as starting or taking part in forum threads that they don't approve of! Not just for in-game infractions.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#402 - 2012-01-23 11:16:18 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Jo Hei wrote:
Elisha Starkiller wrote:

so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....


This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU.

Well, given that its currently being controlled by an 'elite' cliche that utterly control who can run incursions, and will ban you for agreeing that just perhaps, they should be ended when the mom spawned because, well, thats how its supposed to happen(or the mom wouldn't spawn for days) who are utterly disrupting peoples homes for an extended period because they are deliberately prolonging the penalties to people who aren't incursion runners...

Thats rather a problem, when you can be banned from this activity for disagreeing with someone.


Clearly, the Banlists are stopping those who are banned from participating in the Incursion activity. Those who are banned could never kill a MOM.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#403 - 2012-01-23 11:17:27 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.

BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events.



I prefer playing with 5000 less exploiters. Because not killing the MOM, go against all the backstory for the PURE bot-like farming of ISK is exploiting. Not a forbidden cheat but it's still exploiting a mechanic.


I also prefer playing with 5000 less RMT bots despite they pay subscriptions.

Your 5000 subs excuse is garbage. 5, 50, 500, 5000 or 50,000 subs is never a bypass for exploiting the game.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#404 - 2012-01-23 11:19:45 UTC
Spineker wrote:
I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.

Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever.


They are cheering because EvE biggest selling points are exactly these dramas.

The more they wail, the bigger the bloggers and MMO websites will talk about EvE, the more EvE sells.

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Jo Hei
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#405 - 2012-01-23 11:23:08 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Spineker wrote:
I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.

Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever.


They are cheering because EvE biggest selling points are exactly these dramas.

The more they wail, the bigger the bloggers and MMO websites will talk about EvE, the more EvE sells.


Yes, because everyone wants to play a game dominated by a whiny and self-entitled player base, don't they.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#406 - 2012-01-23 11:28:50 UTC
Jo Hei wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Spineker wrote:
I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.

Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever.


They are cheering because EvE biggest selling points are exactly these dramas.

The more they wail, the bigger the bloggers and MMO websites will talk about EvE, the more EvE sells.


Yes, because everyone wants to play a game dominated by a whiny and self-entitled player base, don't they.


Well, not everyone but you are here, no?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#407 - 2012-01-23 11:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jo Hei wrote:
This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to
New and casual players don't do incursions and aren't really allowed to enjoy them anyway. That part has nothing to do with people doing incursions in an entirely legitimate way (and has more to do with those doing them semi-illegitimately).

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
Your 5000 subs excuse is garbage. 5, 50, 500, 5000 or 50,000 subs is never a bypass for exploiting the game.
Above all, it's garbage because it's simply not true. The online numbers are up by ~1,500 compared to last week.
seany1212
M Y S T
#408 - 2012-01-23 11:39:01 UTC
Mom spawns, mom gets popped, working as intended. Just because it means you can't sit there and exploit billions more isk out of the site you come on the forums and whine about some people who decided run a site at a point at which it was meant to be run in the first place...

The quicker vanguards get nerfed the better, even if it does include an extended time in which the mom spawns.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#409 - 2012-01-23 11:58:54 UTC
Quote:
[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead?
[00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works


I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD!

SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED.
KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand.

[b]THE KING OF EVE RADIO

If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?[/b]
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#410 - 2012-01-23 12:07:45 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
Quote:
[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead?
[00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works


I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD!

SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED.
KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand.


I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
seany1212
M Y S T
#411 - 2012-01-23 12:14:56 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
Quote:
[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead?
[00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works


I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD!

SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED.
KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand.


I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard.


I like this idea a lot, assuming the mom hotdrop is completely random in relation to incursions, but the bears won't go for anything random that they cannot farm consecutively with the added factor of risk Roll

I will give you +1 internets
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#412 - 2012-01-23 12:19:10 UTC  |  Edited by: fuer0n
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Hello everyone,

In the interest of keeping the forum a bit less cluttered, I suggest keeping all feedback on the recent Brick Squad campaign in this thread (its title has been changed accordingly to provide a little extra clarity). I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.

I have already sent the feedback on the whole "turbo-running incursions" situation to our developers and hope they will be able to pitch in here soon. Consolidating the conversation in one thread will allow them to read all the arguments more easily and provide their own thoughts in a single place.

We appreciate the concern of both parties involved and will definitely take all feedback into consideration.

Ninja edit: Please keep in mind that all forum rules are still in effect, and failure to adhere to them may result in warnings and/or bans.


bout time you got a moderator in here then. 1 page back there's some guy bragging about his mother giving him oral sex, if thats not ban worthy i dont know what is.

RubyPorto wrote:
Samantha Utama wrote:
Mom down! Mom down! Call the Wahmbulance! Lol


My Mom goes down on me all the time....


Hang on...


That came out right.


ruby you sick mofo there might be children reading these forums.

there's trolling and theres going over the top.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#413 - 2012-01-23 12:22:48 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
Quote:
[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead?
[00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works


I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD!

SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED.
KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand.


I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard.


I like this idea a lot, assuming the mom hotdrop is completely random in relation to incursions, but the bears won't go for anything random that they cannot farm consecutively with the added factor of risk Roll

I will give you +1 internets

I was actually thinking have her target the site with the fewest people, or the most people. The ability to farm wouldn't be removed, but you would have to be able to tank her while you do it Shocked

If you can tank the mom while grinding sites, more power to you, expect it to get fixed a different way once that happens.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#414 - 2012-01-23 12:28:19 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
Quote:
[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead?
[00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works


I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD!

SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED.
KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand.


I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard.


I like this idea a lot, assuming the mom hotdrop is completely random in relation to incursions, but the bears won't go for anything random that they cannot farm consecutively with the added factor of risk Roll

I will give you +1 internets

I was actually thinking have her target the site with the fewest people, or the most people. The ability to farm wouldn't be removed, but you would have to be able to tank her while you do it Shocked

If you can tank the mom while grinding sites, more power to you, expect it to get fixed a different way once that happens.


CONCORD engages the Super, for some stupid reason. The Incuribears would just let concord handle it.
I support the "Incursion zone is converted into nullsec" solution, and it makes sense.

[b]THE KING OF EVE RADIO

If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?[/b]
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#415 - 2012-01-23 12:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Tallian Saotome wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
Quote:
[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead?
[00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works


I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD!

SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED.
KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand.


I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard.


better yet, a spiky, grotesque hybrid between an Erebus and Avatar shows up and alphas shiny faction BS with guns while doomsdaying logistics.

oh and the sansha titan would be vertical, but BPCs would only drop in lowsec (that way our lowsec incursion running bros get to sell an overpriced titan to some collector for 200b)

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#416 - 2012-01-23 12:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
fuer0n wrote:
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Hello everyone,

In the interest of keeping the forum a bit less cluttered, I suggest keeping all feedback on the recent Brick Squad campaign in this thread (its title has been changed accordingly to provide a little extra clarity). I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.

I have already sent the feedback on the whole "turbo-running incursions" situation to our developers and hope they will be able to pitch in here soon. Consolidating the conversation in one thread will allow them to read all the arguments more easily and provide their own thoughts in a single place.

We appreciate the concern of both parties involved and will definitely take all feedback into consideration.

Ninja edit: Please keep in mind that all forum rules are still in effect, and failure to adhere to them may result in warnings and/or bans.


bout time you got a moderator in here then. 1 page back there's some guy bragging about his mother giving him oral sex, if thats not ban worthy i dont know what is.

RubyPorto wrote:
Samantha Utama wrote:
Mom down! Mom down! Call the Wahmbulance! Lol


My Mom goes down on me all the time....


Hang on...


That came out right.


ruby you sick mofo there might be children reading these forums.

there's trolling and theres going over the top.


I don't think that's what I said. I was mearly claiming ownership over a Mothership (commonly referred to as Mom), and complaining that it falls often (commonly referred to as "going down").

Also, if there are children on the Eve-O forums, there are terrible parents signing them up for them.

EDIT:
I took a look, both at the stickies at the top of GD and in the Information Portal, and I have found no rules regarding speech on the forums. CCP may want to consider fixing that.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#417 - 2012-01-23 12:48:28 UTC
Jo Hei wrote:
[quote=Xorv]
Players dont want an "endless safe unhindered" experience. They want an experience. It has some risk involved; from who you fleet with to how (and what) you fly.

ISK/hour is somehow not what people name "experience".....Roll

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
L Salander
All Web Investigations
#418 - 2012-01-23 13:02:13 UTC
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:
Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.

This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.

I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.

CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)

Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.

Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.

SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME


Incursionbear tears mmmm delicious
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#419 - 2012-01-23 13:16:45 UTC
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:


SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME



Umm - Circular reference...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Artemis Picoazaksat
Void Bureau
#420 - 2012-01-23 13:17:56 UTC
What is the difference in Risk-Reward between incursions and a -1.0 dead end system that is cyno jammed and the gate rapecaged by T2 large bubbles with a intel channel? Unless there is a hoard of nullified T3 you are safe to farm that system to your hearts content. I admit I farmed incursion for a while so I did not need to rat and could just PVP until I ran out of isk.

I mean personally I blame Adolf, Communism and Solar Flares but that is just me.