Ships & Modules

I wrote a lengthy rebut of every stupid argument you responded with. Then forgot to select all and copy before hitting post ******* forum. However, really not interested in typing all that **** again. You are dense, and you obviously think no other ships deal with tradeoffs and conflicts so it's not worth bothering with it.

But, just so you know, my favorite ship is the phoon. When it was 4/4 I always keyed on the missile half, it got the BCUs, not the porjectile guns and gyros. Now that it is thankfully 5/3 I always fit 5 launchers. Most people do fit them with a missile focus too. So much for the "winmatar/projectile" whines. Also, I have two other characters which have been taking full advantage of the drake op-edness.

However, unlike you I try to look at the game as a whole, and have sought experience with every race of ships. Sorry to tell you there is nothing any more wrong with kinetic missile bonuses than there is with other race's ship bonuses. And here you are saying you fly Amarr yet you see nothing irksome with the ubiquitous laser cap use reduction bonus? The bonuses are all less than wonderful. That's the point. If the bonus was too good you'ld not want for anything else, and every other race would be easy fodder.

Good luck thinking somehow Caldari ships should get an extra slot more than every other race. Have fun trying to convice CCP to do this. Missiles and missile boats have drawbacks because every weapon system and ship type has drawbacks. Certainly having heavy missile launcher II as the most used weapon on pvp kills (and probably also on pve kills) surely means that Drakes and kinetic missile bonuses are a real bad deal

It's a lot different when even HAMs comfortably reach out to (unboosted) point range. The one case where it's really good (IMHO) is the Hookbill. On anything with HMLs or cruises, it takes you well beyond relevant combat ranges for very little real gain.



They don't get full damage type selection. Unless you know of some kinetic-heavy, high DPS/alpha ammo I've been missing out on...?

Balance ships, not bonuses.

Do they not go hand in hand? Considering the bonuses are directly tied to the ship, i fail to see a distinction but thanks for playing, tell him what he's won Bob...

There is a better way of doing this.

Give each race a missile platform with damage type specific bonus - Hey look the Gallente already have a ship with bonus to missile thermal damage! (Kudos to you if you know which one without looking it up!)

Well it's the difference between "5% damage to all but kinetic damage" and "5% damage to kinetic damage" - it's 75% vs 25% of the damage types that get a bonus.

But well imo kinetic isn't so bad; you're basically good against everything except EM weak rats. keep in mind that most rats do have kinetic as second lowest resistance and in PvP most ships are onmitanked anyway.


Stealth bombers don't count ....

I hope you know where the kinetic bonus has its origin?
When EVE was still you and the four majot ribes developed all on different views of opinions, the pirate faction originated there as well.
So when the Guristas took of into the wild lands of nullsec space they were the sworn enemies of the Caldari state.
Yo find this in all the four races history books and the ship well all have today werent all there.
There were frigates, destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships.
Now for the Caldaris missile kinetic bonus, this is originated by the fact that Gurista ships have a lower resistance to thier hull and so the Caldari biggest companies build this bonus into the hull to shoot Guristas down "better".
The same goes for the slightly higher thermal bonus for Gallente hull, which were designed to shoot down the Serpenties.
Amarr -> Sanshas and Blood Raider hulls
Matar -> Angels.
Why do you think any Caldari pilot would want to go into Gurista occupied space or Gallente wander of to the wildness of the Serpenties?
That is where all the ship "bonus damage" towards thier pirate faction originates.
I think it were also designed that way to give young padawans of each four tribes an idea how thier ships would perfom against the first enemies you encounter after the tutorial (the old one).

When you have joined EVE long ago you didn't get 1 mio skillpoints handed over to you on a silver platter and super insane speed learning, no you got maybe 50.000 skillpoints and thats it.
From there you were thrown into the waters or space and had to go up from there. And with 50.000 skillpoints there wasnt really much you could do and were happy to have a bonus on your Caldari frigate hull to shoot some Guristas in one of the asteroid belts to afford another skillbook or even ammunition.
You not believe it but in those first weeks of EVE, a level 1 mission was difficult and the payouts were not always high enough to afford all the needed skillbooks.
Even the adventure of going into another solarsystem was another story when the distance to the next gate was somewhat like 65 AU, which you won't notice at all now, but back then you capacitor - with zero engineering or navigation skills at all - went dry every 5-6 AU and you were forced to make many warps into the same direction to the gate to even get there.

Ships that have a bonus to racial damage by race:
Caldari
Kestrel
Heron
Condor
Hawk
Buzzard
Crow
Flycatcher
Caracal
Onyx
Cerberus
Tengu (subsystem)
Drake
Nighthawk
Phoenix
Leviathan (you have to be brain dead not to use kinetic)

Gallente
Helios
Eris

Minmatar
Breacher

Amarr
Inquisitor

Khanid ships could be considered to have racial damage bonus
Vengeance
Anathema
Malediction
Heretic
Sacrilege
Damnation

More Caldari ships on the list than the other races combined.

I didn't include Stealth Bombers or Titan dds, because they are mirrored over the races.

Believe me, double optimal bonuses make the Eagle a piece of **** too.