Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You get 24 hours to make friends before the dec starts.

If you get notice, so should aggressors.

Why can't you do that?

Then try being more powerful, and having more friends. A large and powerful group crushing weaker opposition is EVE functioning as intended, it's only a problem if you think that everyone, no matter how weak, should be able to "win" at EVE.



Lolno. Congratulations on proposing a system where the gankers make bait corps and then bring in a dozen "neutral" alts to kill you.



I think you seriously overestimate the willingness of highsec residents to engage in PvP of any kind.

Nice, great idea (last one), quite correct of course, which is why people avoid the totally broken wardec system like the plague.

Thousands of pages have been written, as to exactly why the idea, that if everyone magically got together, everything is solved and unicorns roam the land and everyone gets a pony. /s doesn't work.

Alternatively, in the real world, Pirat just dock up again, and shltpost local. And declare another 59 wardecs.

Just nuke wardecs from orbit, it is the only way to be sure.

I think one of the more obvious fixes as an initial change.......

Make it cheaper for smaller groups to wardec someone larger than them.
Make it more expensive to Wardec someone smaller.

and then on the plus side, increase the costs of defender allies.
1st one is free
2nd: 50 million isk
3rd: 100 million isk
4th: 200 million isk
and so on.........

also i remember having multiple wardecs in the past also increased exponentially.....that should return also.
So even if you have 20 wars out @50m a pop, the next 10 should cost 75 each, and so on.

Has nothing to do with "major" nullsec entities. I mean for crying out loud, as Goons prove every year it is nothing to come in and shut down a major trade hub.
Horde bashed the hell out of Perimeter.

If your point is talking about nullsec invading highsec, why should i care? Live out there, but if you want to "Live" in highsec...then things need to change.
And they need to do so because really big blocs should not be in highsec, and this includes the mercs who keep getting bigger, especially the ones no longer acting mercenaries but acting more like nullsec political scum.
Highsec should be more about the smaller wars and conflicts between those that live there, and as it happens today if the bigger boyz want to pick on the smaller boyz....the smaller ones should have a better advantage in teaming up and taking them on.

I am afraid you are going to be disappointed if and when CCP ever gets around to iterating on the wardec mechanic. They are not going to change it so it "benefits" you. There will be no rejoicing. Any change will be to make it better at its function to allow unfettered conflict and combat to take place in highsec, not isolate people more from other players who want to attack them.

Here is one of the few places I disagree with Daichi: wars are not broken. They more-or-less do what they are intended to do and allow the core gameplay of Eve Online to take place in highsec. Sure, they could use some tweaks and there are significant issues with hunting other players that make targeted conflict, both as relates to wars but also bounty hunting and law enforcement too tedious, but more-or-less they provide a mechanism for players to fight in highsec without the omnipresent NPCs getting involved.

If anything is broken, it is a near complete lack of conflict drivers and advantages for being in a corp. There is very little reward for taking the risk and effort to defend a corp in highsec. Give mechanical reasons and benefits to be in a corp (and a way to restrict these benefits from players just hopping corps), and not only will players now have reasons to mount a defence, the cries of "griefer!" anytime someone tries to attack another group and make content in the sandbox will die down.

Maybe CCP will never get there out of lack of resources or vision, but at least they can easily enough add a social corp or other alternative social structure so that players who don't want to fight can still be part of a social group. What they will not do is just chuck wars out entirely and make highsec corps completely safe yet maintain all the benefits they have now. There are ways I can imagine to let us fight over structures without wars, but they are all more dangerous for highsec carebears who are playing the wrong game than the status quo.

The ability to shoot other players is not a "benefit". It is the core game play of Eve Online. Wars are just a manifestation of this core tenet of the game and is why CCP has had so much trouble finding a system that makes everyone happy. There are just too many players who consciously or unconsciously reject CCP's guiding vision of the game that "everything should be destroyable", at least when it comes to their stuff. They feel entitled to invulnerable corporations (or hauling, mining ships, POSes, etc.) despite the fact that is incompatible with the fundamental design of the game.

The sad thing is there is no reason that social functions need to be tied to the mechanical in-game benefits (and risks) of being in a player corporation. There should be a way to play Eve in a low risk/low reward fashion in a social group. Well there are some I guess (shared chat channel for example) but there is no explicit and obvious game mechanism to do so. Something like that is what is needed for wars, not yet another nerf (like suggested in the OP) to make declaring wars more expensive/risky that will just push aggressors to group up into even larger groups and make wars even more useless for a typical, non-mercenary highsec corp.

Well it's certainly an aspect of the game. I'd even agree that's CCP's intent. I have to ask though, is that working for them?

CCP_Seagull's and CCP_Ghost's FF presentations suggest to me that they're having a new player retention problem. While their efforts at punching up the NPE and making PVE more interesting are laudable I doubt it'll help as much as they think. If it doesn't their choices are to either accept whatever population level they've got or *gasp* adapt.

Two out of the twenty wardecs I've been through had any real combat and even then I've had more meaningful fights in low-sec. All the rest was trade hub griefing which has cost us players. Letting this mechanic fester in this state is doing more harm than good.

Make people miserable and they stop paying you... Who knew?

Of course, it appears the answer is to make it easier to exterminate new players at the earliest opportunity, to make sure that when they attempt to gather together, they find the experience a soul destroying one. Only then will they prove worthy after being through that cruicible of fire to join such wise and elite players as yourself, to rain destruction on those who dare try to play eve. /s

If you train players that joining a HS corporation is a disastrous idea, and encourage them that to avoid contact with others is the optimal choice, one is guaranteeing they never find the cameraderie and awesome experiences they should.

We are the rare few who made it through that, some went deep into null, or wormholes, and eventually found friends and comrades, some found comfort exterminating others in HS, a satisfying experience, those who are bullied and abused in their youth often do that to others when they mature. (In game in this case)

We are all damaged by it, though still here.

Most were not so lucky, and we have lost them, they were our future friends and they were wasted like chaff in the field.

That is the tragedy.

We mourn our fallen friends, they should have shared the stars with us.

You would think with all the years of practice, one would come up with a new line occasionally.

You may have missed it, but this is ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with fair fights or otherwise.

But it is easier I guess to pull line number 22 out of your ass pouch, because it might be suitable, you might get lucky sometimes.