Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And you keep missing the point, they do not have to GIVE UP anything.

Multi boxing skills learned from those "staged wars" and years of running PvE content solo that was designed to require a fleet will allow them to do the old EvE AND the new EvE at the same time.

And they do not care about getting the ISK (or whatever they call the currency there) into the old EvE all they care about is having it in the New EvE because they have all the ISK they need here in the old EvE.

Again with the rats will kill off blobs, and I will be more blunt this time. Nothing you can do with rats will eliminate blobs because players will simply use a larger blob. Or because players in EvE are smart and like to figure things out they will simply determine what size of groups the rats will ignore then form up into fleets of that size and cooperatively work a problem from multiple angles so they do not attract the ire of the rats.



Ok three times I have tried to reply and each time the thread gets eaten, nice formatting to ensure that happens, very professional

Firstly I question your motivation. You are simply rehashing the same questions and ignoring the answers.

I KNOW that unless a proposal comes via the approved nullsec CSM it is going to get astroturfed as wasting developers time. Now it is whether your post "accidentially" plays into this or is deliberate, I neither know or care overly much.

I am not going to yet again reply to deliberately clipped extracts of my posts, to answer you, when you clearly are disregarding the OP and the actual answers given for whatever reason you have.

If you failed to understand, and had "difficuilties" in comprehending I would give the benefit of the doubt and assist, but that is clearly not the case.

Anyway this threads job is done, your free bumps ensured it was first on the list when CCP came into work, and Intelligent minds will have read it.

Thanks for that.

Nice idea are you proposing procedural generated space or finite amount?

Why allow existing toons there at all to start with?

A simpler implementation would be to only allow new toons to access this space. At character creation you choose to play in "New Eden" or "Newspace".

The new character in newspace starts with a venture with two drones for their race, two miner 1's and that's it.

Not sure how this would work out in reality, but I know I'd create a new toon to try it out if it were created.

So you are swapping out stations and the current markets for different stations and a barter economy?

Okay, but no thanks. I’ll take anonymous exchange with money over barter every single time.

Trading Beaver skins for a canoe and a rifle is barter.

This is a fantastic idea.

It's mind boggling how unimaginative most of this community is, instantly responding with NO in caps and citing some drivel such as "there are enough empty systems as it stands." Garbage.

There are plenty of us who would love the opportunity to go up against players who aren't trillionairs hurling capitals or deadspace fit faction cruisers around constantly.

Amazing idea.

ISK is inaccessible according to you. So at first you are going to have a barter economy. This point is indisputable until in your new space some form of commodity money emerges. Sure it could be something like exotic dancers. People start using that more and more as the commodity for exchange. But how is that going to work? Not like ISK right now. ISK is a completely electronic currency—i.e. nobody carries it around in their pod or cargo hold. And yet, they can access those funds anywhere in the current game environment. This will put a considerable limit on whatever economy you will have out there.

And consider this simple story of how money could come into existence. People are using barter, but over time they find that using a certain type of shell is becoming more commonly used in exchanges. The shells are not terribly easy to come by, but are somewhat durable and not too cumbersome to carry around. As time goes by, this society develops a legal structure for resolving disputes with a minimal amount of violence. An enterprising person realizes people would like a safe place to keep their shells. So he starts up such a business. Deposit your shells with him, and he’ll give you piece of paper that says how many shells you have with him for reasonable fee. Soon people start trading using the pieces of paper and the guy keeping people’s shells safe realizes that not everyone withdraws their shells at once. So he tells his customers he is going to start lending that money out and instead of charging them a reasonable fee he’ll be paying them interest. Now you have a bank and paper currency backed by an actual commodity. In fact, there could be a number of banks each with its own paper currency.

Now I’ve simplified that quite a bit. I’ve set aside the huge issue of trust here. But let’s look at trust. For that to work people have to trust that the person operating the bank will give the money back. That he’ll loan it out prudently. And failing all of that, that the legal system will offer them some degree of recourse. This is a huge problem in EVE as well know about the large degree of scamming that goes on in game and that there really is no means for recourse if one is scammed. Economies with more trust tend to grow and develop faster than those with less trust. So there is virtually no trust and there is no legal institutions to let it start to develop aside from individual personal relationships.

All-in-all, I think the economy in this new space would grow very slowly at first. And frankly, the idea of something that is a loot drop and of little intrinsic value becoming money strikes me as not all that different than CCP creating buy orders for in game items to get the economic wagon rolling at the start. That initial money has to get there…and CCP did it with buy orders. They could have made it look drops too.

Edit: Unless of course you are going to introduce something like ISK2.0 via rat bounties. And in this case...the difference between rat bounties or NPC buy orders is.....?

First I fixed it for you.

Second, don’t be so sure of you simple fix. It seems to me that there is one constant in this game, that as CCP makes it harder to be stupid and imprudent there is a subset of the player base that takes that as a challenge and sure enough they become even more stupid and imprudent.

I did, an no you didn't. You only have the part I quoted above.