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CVA is attacking faith and Amarrian tradition itself!

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Erika Wallker
Titan Legion
Fraternity.
#81 - 2017-05-02 07:49:05 UTC
Vaari wrote:

When man see everything he loves crumbling into ruin, very few can maintain calm. In the end I was unable to do so. Of course I could have tried do some thing differently when seeing back, but it is easy to be wise afterwards, is it not?. CVA's action during coronation were one of the turning points for me. Why remain polite to ones who amassed entire fleet and travelled long way to Amarr just to insult Her Imperial Majesty on her greatest day?


Vaari,

We have the facilities in place now to handle complaints like these. Maybe Vigilante justice is allowed in your holding, it is not in Providence. You never did seem to care about rules, did you? No, you are a mighty Lord in the Amarrian Empire, rules do not apply to you it seems.

You personally have been guilty of many infractions regarding the protection of faith act, yet this does not seem to interest you. It seems to be that all others must bow to you and you yourself can do what you will. Those times are over, and I believe you need to look deep within yourself for the cause of these problems.

I fervently hope that your KOS status is never ever rescinded and that the theology institute will be able to flourish without you with help of our friends from loyalist alliances. In these loyalist alliances, you can find true nobility. Patience in teaching, openness to discussion and education, the way it should be…

With Respect
Erika Wallker


Pentag Blade!

Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#82 - 2017-05-02 08:57:12 UTC
Erika Wallker wrote:
Vaari wrote:

When man see everything he loves crumbling into ruin, very few can maintain calm. In the end I was unable to do so. Of course I could have tried do some thing differently when seeing back, but it is easy to be wise afterwards, is it not?. CVA's action during coronation were one of the turning points for me. Why remain polite to ones who amassed entire fleet and travelled long way to Amarr just to insult Her Imperial Majesty on her greatest day?


Vaari,

We have the facilities in place now to handle complaints like these. Maybe Vigilante justice is allowed in your holding, it is not in Providence. You never did seem to care about rules, did you? No, you are a mighty Lord in the Amarrian Empire, rules do not apply to you it seems.

You personally have been guilty of many infractions regarding the protection of faith act, yet this does not seem to interest you. It seems to be that all others must bow to you and you yourself can do what you will. Those times are over, and I believe you need to look deep within yourself for the cause of these problems.

I fervently hope that your KOS status is never ever rescinded and that the theology institute will be able to flourish without you with help of our friends from loyalist alliances. In these loyalist alliances, you can find true nobility. Patience in teaching, openness to discussion and education, the way it should be…

With Respect
Erika Wallker




Empyrean Council is next to impotent to handle most of the breaches made by CVA member. Sir Daedalus has veto and there is no doubt it is used every single time CVA member is brought to justice even if that one would have insulted Her Imperial Majesty herself. I have also no doubt that veto is never used when...¨annoyance¨is brought to justice.

Im sure however that in other areas Empyrean Council might work very well and ease the governing load from Sir Daedalus shoulders.

Im still applying to be leader of Theological Institute.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Erika Wallker
Titan Legion
Fraternity.
#83 - 2017-05-02 09:24:05 UTC
I am sure they will be fair in their judgement. You, however, do not even give the council a chance and immediately assume a victim role. This is exactly the kind of childlike destructive behavior that has caused so many issues for Operation Deliverance. I have told you many times that you are not a soldier fighting for deliverance but instead are its greatest enemy. You personally have pushed more people away from the faith than all the Minmatar put together.

You have the unique gift of being the most annoying person in existence that preaches constantly on how you believe we all should act. Yet can never find a fault with himself. Anyways, it does not matter. You had your chance to see reason. I shall repeat what I said before: I hope your KOS status is never revoked. The region will do much better without you. My only hope is that an open minded and patient person will take up preaching and converting in Providence instead of you.

With respect,
Erika Wallker

Pentag Blade!

Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#84 - 2017-05-02 09:43:07 UTC
Too open minded leader for Theological Institute and you can remove the word "theological" from the name of it.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Erika Wallker
Titan Legion
Fraternity.
#85 - 2017-05-02 09:48:30 UTC
Vaari wrote:
Too open minded leader for Theological Institute and you can remove the word "theological" from the name of it.


Negative and destructive. Your two main qualities and the sole reason why you will never be leader of that institute.

Open minded does not mean accept everything. It means listening to what others have to say and have a discussions with them to bring them on to the right path by educating them in the faith. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. You would do well to read that line a couple of times, maybe a few million times.

Pentag Blade!

Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#86 - 2017-05-02 09:49:23 UTC
Vaari wrote:


When ProviBlock finally got itself Empyrean Council, Providence wide civilian government formed by holder coalition I was put aside by making me KOS. However I, Lord Vaari still wish to become leader of Theological Institute. My talents have not vanished because Xhjfx the Mockery of Faith put me on KOS. I still live and fly on Providence same amount of time than before.



You say this, when you yourself stood aside because your approach to being nominated for the Theological Institute involved the writing of a Codex, wherein you made several outlandish and outdated claims and accusations which are incompatible with the modern Amarrian Empire.

You were not made KOS to prevent you from joining the council, nor were you removed through ill-means, you stood aside sir. Your statements here on the IGS paint Providence with tar. Your continued aggression and slander towards your would be friends and allies make any going back even harder. You can't seriously think anyone would welcome you back after your unfounded accusations and name calling?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#87 - 2017-05-02 10:39:05 UTC
Erika Wallker wrote:
What makes me even more sad is that you believe you stand for the Amarrian values and Faith. You do not.


Erika Wallker wrote:
You never did seem to care about rules, did you? No, you are a mighty Lord in the Amarrian Empire, rules do not apply to you it seems.


I really hate to agree with Lord KOS on anything, but you know you kinda undercut your case with that second bit, right? Cuz... that's basically the gist of Amarr values and faith, right there: "the 'rules' are for other people. Whatever we do is fine because the magical sky-fairy said so."

Quote:
It seems to be that all others must bow to you and you yourself can do what you will.


Yep. That sounds pretty damned Amarr to this Sebbie's ears.
Erika Wallker
Titan Legion
Fraternity.
#88 - 2017-05-02 10:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Erika Wallker
There are many other Amarrian holders that are not like that, Arrendis. Those holders can actually listen, educate and correct.

Please don't compare all Amarrians with Vaari... That would be a major insult to nearly all Amarrians in New Eden.

With Respect,

Erika Wallker

Pentag Blade!

Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#89 - 2017-05-02 13:09:10 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Erika Wallker wrote:
What makes me even more sad is that you believe you stand for the Amarrian values and Faith. You do not.


Erika Wallker wrote:
You never did seem to care about rules, did you? No, you are a mighty Lord in the Amarrian Empire, rules do not apply to you it seems.


I really hate to agree with Lord KOS on anything, but you know you kinda undercut your case with that second bit, right? Cuz... that's basically the gist of Amarr values and faith, right there: "the 'rules' are for other people. Whatever we do is fine because the magical sky-fairy said so."

Quote:
It seems to be that all others must bow to you and you yourself can do what you will.


Yep. That sounds pretty damned Amarr to this Sebbie's ears.


Having lived with Amarrian's for several years of my capsuleer career I can attest to this not being the case. Perhaps 10 or 20 years ago, maybe even in some corners of New Eden far more recently, but they have their rules and scriptures, like many religions - they can be taken out of context, or bent to their own ideals. But for the vast majority this is no longer the case.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#90 - 2017-05-02 15:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Erika Wallker wrote:
There are many other Amarrian holders that are not like that, Arrendis. Those holders can actually listen, educate and correct.


Momiji Sakora wrote:

Having lived with Amarrian's for several years of my capsuleer career I can attest to this not being the case. Perhaps 10 or 20 years ago, maybe even in some corners of New Eden far more recently, but they have their rules and scriptures, like many religions - they can be taken out of context, or bent to their own ideals. But for the vast majority this is no longer the case.


So they'd be fine with the Matari clapping them in chains for institutionalized generational slavery with the express goal of cultural extinction, then?

Because you know, last time I checked, that's still going on inside the Empire, and Miz and I just had very public spat over whether or not there's a snowball's chance in a stellar corona of convincing the Empire to release the remaineder of their slaves, or if we should just go ahead and launch into a Götterdämmerung in order to at least kill all the slavers before we die.

Edit for clarity: because, just to be blunt, until the Amarr Empire itself ends slavery, or openly states that anyone else is perfectly fine taking Amarr slaves with the specific intention of breaking their will, their faith, and making them into something else? Until that happens, then yes, the official policy of the Amarr Empire remains 'It's ok for us to do whatever we want because the magic sky fairy says so'.
Valkorsia
State War Academy
Caldari State
#91 - 2017-05-02 15:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkorsia
Hail loyalists!

As a long-time resident of Providence, I can confirm what Erika Wallker has detailed here.

Many of us have shown him compassion and offered advice, despite his attacks on CVA diplomats and pilots in Providence. Sadly, I feel Lord Vaari has lost his mind. His age and admitted drug and alcohol use have caused what appears to be brain damage. He often forgets what he's saying mid-sentence and appears to be genuinely disturbed. He's recently said the most foul things in CVA-Diplo channels, defying all logic. On CVA forums, he has called both Miss Wallker and I things I can not even repeat; foul things. Yet we still tried to always allow him a certain leeway because he is a Lord.

I was raised by my uncle, an Amarrian, and was schooled in Amarr after my family was killed in the Great War. I'm very familiar with Amarr tradition and the very title of this communication is a bold, ouright lie. I have never, ever seen an Amarrian lord speak and do the things Lord Varri has done. It's unbecoming of even peasants, let alone an Earl.

Despite his distraction and incessant, lunical ramblings on forums daily, CVA allowed him to stay and do his work in Providence until - and only until - he violated his promised, earlier agreement with the magistrate. He was warned and counseled by many, yet he persisted.

It is Lord Vaari himself who attacked Amarrian traditions, not CVA. Again, I feel compassion for him, because I know his age, drug and alcohol use have rotted his brain. It's sad to see and despite it all, I still hold hope that one day Lord Vaari will see the error of his ways and begin to act like a true Amarrian lord.

Respectfully,

RAdm Valkorsia

*Edited to reflect a personal position, not one of the Providence Empyrean Council*
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#92 - 2017-05-03 17:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaari
Im defending Amarr at all things and all times. When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree and grows in the field of double standard, it has no other options than to grow up into double standard apple tree.

This has happened into many CVA members and CVA aligned people. CVA is sailing forward with the reputation of somehow distant past of amarrian loyalist reputation. Same time this same CVA sailed all the way from Providence to Amarr Prime to literally tell Her Imperial Majesty to go **** herself during Her coronation day.

Had it been some easily disposable person, say me for example, there would be no second guessing and no excuses to put that person on KOS had someone would rised word about behavior.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#93 - 2017-05-03 18:39:15 UTC
Vaari wrote:
When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree


You know this just sounds like awesome ginormous apples that can be a whole pie by themselves, right?
Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#94 - 2017-05-03 23:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ascentior
Arrendis wrote:
Vaari wrote:
When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree


You know this just sounds like awesome ginormous apples that can be a whole pie by themselves, right?

No apple can be a whole pie. A good pie should always contain more than a single fruit.

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#95 - 2017-05-03 23:43:57 UTC
Ascentior wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Vaari wrote:
When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree


You know this just sounds like awesome ginormous apples that can be a whole pie by themselves, right?

No apple can be a whole pie. A good pie should always contain more than a single fruit.

Then it shall contain Vaari as well. There you go, multiple fruits.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#96 - 2017-05-04 00:07:24 UTC
Meat pies.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#97 - 2017-05-04 00:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Arrendis wrote:
Edit for clarity: because, just to be blunt, until the Amarr Empire itself ends slavery, or openly states that anyone else is perfectly fine taking Amarr slaves with the specific intention of breaking their will, their faith, and making them into something else? Until that happens, then yes, the official policy of the Amarr Empire remains 'It's ok for us to do whatever we want because the magic sky fairy says so'.


While that's not totally wrong, Arrendis, it's more like, "It's okay for us to do what God told us to, even if those things would be horrifying if someone else did them to us (if only because that would make it harder for us to bring the rest of the cluster into the service of our god)."

Divine mandate, more than divine permission to do whatever. (Even if some Holders do seem to sometimes interpret it as the latter.) It's not fair, but, it's not supposed to be-- that kind of consideration kind of goes out the airlock once you start throwing phrases like "directed by God" around.

If the Amarr really thought they could do as they pleased there'd be no need for penitence pits. (And I STILL want to know what's up with those, but not badly enough to be "tipped into" one. The Amarr seem to mostly talk it in "you don't want to know" sorts of tones. ... but, I really kind of do. So I guess it's more "I really, really don't want to talk about it.")
Arrendis
TK Corp
#98 - 2017-05-04 00:34:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Aria Jenneth wrote:

While that's not totally wrong, Arrendis, it's more like, "It's okay for us to do what God told us to, even if those things would be horrifying if someone else did them to us (if only because that would make it harder for us to bring the rest of the cluster into the service of our god)."


Yes, and without any independent and empirical proof for the existence of the entity they're claiming 'told' them to do it, then Lo! It's right back to 'whatever we want', because somehow, 'divine will' always seems to be benefiting the people who get to determine just what the 'divine will' is.

So it's still 'Rules are for other people, we can do whatever we want because the magical sky-fairy told us to.'

Quote:
If the Amarr really thought they could do as they pleased there'd be no need for penitence pits. (And I STILL want to know what's up with those, but not badly enough to be "tipped into" one. The Amarr seem to mostly talk it in "you don't want to know" sorts of tones. ... but, I really kind of do. So I guess it's more "I really, really don't want to talk about it.")


Eh, I'll take one for the cause of advancing scientific knowledge. Tell me where to find one, I'll check it out and report back.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#99 - 2017-05-04 00:40:54 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Yes, and without any independent and empirical proof for the existence of the entity they're claiming 'told' them to do it, then Lo! It's right back to 'whatever we want', because somehow, 'divine will' always seems to be benefiting the people who get to determine just what the 'divine will' is.

So it's still 'Rules are for other people, we can do whatever we want because the magical sky-fairy told us to.'

Arrendis, if that's really a thing you think? Maybe take a really close look at the Sani Sabik (Blood Raiders and others) living there in Delve. That's kinda what "rules are for other people" actually looks like.

Once you can see the difference this might be a productive discussion to have. There's a connection here, but maybe not the one you think.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#100 - 2017-05-04 00:47:42 UTC
There's no difference, Aria. Sucking the life out of people is sucking the life out of people, whether you're literally bathing in their blood or building your family fortune off of generations of their toil.