Crime & Punishment

Hahahaha this thread is terrible. You should all go take your autism medicine.

In the end, those who feel the need to shut down Incursions to prevent "excessive carebear wealth" are doing so because it is currently more fun than whatever game play their home space provides. Fix lowsec, Fix nullsec, and the griefers will fight more interesting wars elsewhere and leave highsec dwellers to their own devices...

...If the Goons had wars or challenges that were more entertaining in nullsec, they wouldn't bother with cheap ganks...

...The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly...

...incursions "griefing" actually just means completing the PvE scenario...

Let's just call this what it is - tear collecting is tear collecting, and its not particularly badass as an "endgame" or "sandbox" activity. It's a way to achieve lulz and pass the time, and will disappear as soon as the root causes in nullsec and lowsec are fixed and experienced players decide to worry about their own battles rather than harassing those who simply like to run PvE content.

Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing.

Please let this thread die.

Concord pays to you defeat Sanshas raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards?

The bottom line is that all of these incessant arguments about "carebears" vs "griefers" stem from broken mechanics across every area of space.

In the end, those who feel the need to shut down Incursions to prevent "excessive carebear wealth" are doing so because it is currently more fun than whatever game play their home space provides. Fix lowsec, Fix nullsec, and the griefers will fight more interesting wars elsewhere and leave highsec dwellers to their own devices, to collect and polish their shiny ships in peace.

This is no different than the Goon ice interdiction - its really just a symptom of broken nullsec mechanics. If the Goons had wars or challenges that were more entertaining in nullsec, they wouldn't bother with cheap ganks. This is clearly evident from Mitten's recent speech in Delve. Tear collecting is ultimately a filler activitiy.

No matter how vocal these players are on the forums, and no matter how much The Mittani uses the bully pulpit, the bottom line is that the vast majority of EvE players don't sign up to be involved with puppy kicking.

No matter how much it will be continued to be defended as such, griefing is not "what makes EvE awesome". The possibility for it to occur makes EvE unique amongst MMO's, but for most of us, it isn't what makes EvE fun.

Don't get me wrong - there are thousands of players who absolutely signed up to make the weak cry, scream, and wail - and engage in sheer sadistic pleasure wherever it is to be found. But these players are still a minority in the context of the greater game - no matter how much they puff their chests on the forums.

The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly. The very players they chastise for being "risk-adverse" and "cowardly" simply because they live in empire space are not the type of players gaming the economy, or leveraging that accumulated wealth for some kind of massive in-game competitive advantage. Usually, they harm no one. Most of that isk goes to adding even fancier gear to existing blinged out ships.

The fact that players can engage in PvP within an incursion environment (which isn't even the case here - with incursions "griefing" actually just means completing the PvE scenario) is most certainly working-as-intended, as the wealth provided by them was designed to inspire some competitive conflict. It's a stretch to call this "unfair" when players do have mercenary options at their disposal.

Let's just call this what it is - tear collecting is tear collecting, and its not particularly badass as an "endgame" or "sandbox" activity. It's a way to achieve lulz and pass the time, and will disappear as soon as the root causes in nullsec and lowsec are fixed and experienced players decide to worry about their own battles rather than harassing those who simply like to run PvE content.

Please explain to me how moon goo is introducing new isk into the economy like incursions are. I am tired of people not understanding the difference between what is effectively "printing" more isk, versus an activity that is simply causing isk to change hands. How is it that difficult to understand?

Its not difficult to understand, isk faucets and moon goo are not the same thing. Mining doesnt generate isk. It generates goods that can be sold. Bounties, mission rewards, incursions, these print isk into the game. I get that.

The point is, these types of arguments are NOT what drives the type of events promoted by the OP. Lets not pretend our Goon friend or anyone else for that matter engages in these campaigns to "prove" something to CCP, or to "fix" a broken economy.

This is about twisting the knife, and watching people wail. And being entertained by it. plain and simple.

There's no virtue in pointing out an economic technicality when economics have little to do with why people participate in these things in the first place.