EVE General Discussion

IIRC, the sponsor, Helicity Boson, is a Hulk manufacturer. He in turn offers prizes/bounties for killing hulks. Hence, all of the participants are in it for gain. Corrupt, for sure, but doesn't qualify as griefing.

Hulkageddon is just an excuse for null sec control freaks to punish High sec. Its a form of area war. And I make this claim purely on the assumption that the majority of indistrial targets will be operating in High sec.

Anybody who actively takes part are simply cowards however as they operate under the safety of a broken player policing bounty system. So opportunites of retribution are limited, whilst they simply attack soft targets.

In the meantime, prices go up as a result of the supply and demand imbalance from all the chaos and refocus of production due to the increased carnage and need to produce both mining and griefer losses. And then the griefers complain that its other things like incursions or another ficticious reason as to why prices are then a problem to them. Rather than reaslising that as they both dissalusioning industrialists and destory their infrastructure it will ultimately impact them in the market. These rumours being fueled by the null sec propoganda machine at the same time.

Of course people will say that there are short term profiteering opportunites to be made by industrialists to supply the hulkageddon machine, but ignore the long term consequences of production focus and price altering as a result of the event.

Since all those wasted minerals could have been invested solely into more focussed PvP materials of value rather than just wanten destruction overall. Where the griefers will be calculating that they will be doing most of the damage to the industrial base.

In the meantime, the null sec mafia types behind this event are laughing at the gullible high seccers slowly "shitting" in their own garden.

Yes, Owls can be quite wise cant they.

Say two or three guys hung out in one system and spanked one guy in his hulk time after time. No matter what, they'd thump the guy's new hulk and do essentially nothing but that. The poor hulkster could probably make a case for being griefed. The whole purpose of the three having to be no more than to cause heartache to the one. No other discernable purpose can be imagined from that.

Now, take all the heroes in EvE who can't get a game up in null or lo sec out of sheer boredom deciding they'll just continuously gank any hulkster at all. Not just one over and over, unless perhaps he/she's rather unlucky, but all of them all at once as far as the eye can see. Not one specific hulkster can really claim a continuous victimization. Not one ganker can be accused of continually victimizing one player - no apparent grounds for griefing in the classic sense of the word.

HOWEVER (big however here), it is obvious (especially to the ones doing it AND CCP) the idea behind Hulkageddon (other than to get faceroll time in for the gankers who're pathetically bored with their method of play) is to victimize miners as a class...or group of similar individuals. This is in all honesty the equivilent of an individual class, and those who deny it are just being DISHONEST about it, victimizing another individual class, and the grieving rule can be applied to Hulkageddon if the management so desired to extend it to such.

Yet, they don't and let me tell you why. In CCP's convoluted view of EVE they want: Combat/destruction/replacement of destroyed from the market/combat/destruction/replacement of destroyed from the market...ta da ta da....EVE marches on. SO, they're not about to stop it. It fits into their tiny definition.

Now, there is a slip of reason and logic on which CCP can hang this rather myopic vision of theirs about Hulkageddon. And, it's difficult to argue against. IF miners were taking advantage of the full array of mechanics the game offers, nobody could Hulkageddon them, or at least not at such a minimal cost that the gankers suffer now.

a. Group up. That's why there's corps and alliances. United we stand. Divided we fall. Miners can't really excuse the fact they solo and don't bother to respond to the threat by organizing.

b. A mining detail without security is not a mining detail. It's a stroll up the primrose path. Yes, it takes people and resources to do it. Properly guarded mining fleets with a plan of action which includes lookouts, response teams and retreat procedures for the mining vessels are not only doable, but hey. It's just something that begs to be done in the face of Hulkageddon.

c. Hardcore soloers must accept this Hulkageddon as the cost of doing business in the fashion that they do in this environment. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Now, personally, I don't support the idea of Hulkageddon. I never liked the idea of ganging up on someone unless there's an active war dec involved and the someone is foolish enough to be caught alone. That's the breaks. I also don't agree with attacking things that have no hope for defense. You can't even try to claim that's challenging, and if it's your kind of fun, you need help. (I can refer you to a therapist. You probably have other issues.) But, regardless of my, or anyone else's personal opinions about it, the dynamics of the situation being what they are, it's a reality one must learn to accept, adapt to, or....

RESPOND TO (besides whining about it in forums).

Vote for me for CSM. I'm the only one who can type this fast and appear to have something to say.

Basically as CCP' griefing rules make no apparent sense.

Lets take the can flipping thing as an example.

Do it in a starter system it's griefing, do it anywhere else it's not.

How does that work it either IS griefing or it ISN'T the age of the 'victim' is irrelevant.

OOH look another arrogant idiot who thinks everyone should play this game his way and no other way

Poor baby. Have a hanky.

It is very relevant as there is nothing at all to gain from killing that new player.

...except that it's quite easy to think of reasons why they'd do that, and that the one guy doesn't have a particularly strong case if he keeps dying in the exact same spot all the time.

Did he change systems?
Did he try something other than mining?
Was he the only miner in the system being ganked?
Did he try to bribe the gankers off?
etc.

This is as best explanation on griefing as any.