EVE General Discussion

The retribution is a good assault frigate on paper, minus one thing, a medium slot. It only has 2; it traded a medium slot to its partner, the vengeance, to get a low slot.

The fact that a lazer assault frigate (24mil hull) has only 2 medium slots makes it useless in many situations; able to fill only a couple niches (speedtank dps, without doing much dps) with it does poorly for its cost and compared to counterparts.

Honestly, add a mid slot and nerf EHP while subtracting a low slot, or re-work it.

As it stands, it is just trash, and CCP can do much, much, better.

Please make this game better and fix this ship.

This should be in the Ships & Modules category.

Retribution is a popular PVE ship where the 5 low slots are far more useful. In PVP, the T3 destroyers have pretty much taken over -
you can buy a Confessor for a little over 30 million.

I'll root for the Velator ... it is utter trash, CCP can do much better!

It's a bit niche, but the retribution is the most effective ship around for running Sansha and Blood 1/10 DED sites. The confessor will not fit in those. I'm sure it has other pvp purposes as well...

Pretty sure it used to have one mid slot ...

This, the only thing most AF's have going for them are the ability to get into more FW sites compared to T3D's. The other day I thought about buying a wolf as a cheap-ish ship to fight stuff like confessors... only to discover that (at the time) the svipul was only about 5m more. Bang for buck, it's a no brainer in most cases.

Welcome to Amarr.

I miss the one midslot coercer.

I think the idea is that since pulse lasers can project their damage further than standard web ranges (and retain decent damage with Scorch), you're not meant to fit one, and therefore only need a MWD and a long point. It's a design feature that comes up a lot on small Amarrian ships - most notably the Slicer, which shares the Retribution's optimal range bonus. Slicers are pretty good, right? The Punisher and the Crusader have the same drawback without the optimal range modifiers to help offset it.

If you want an alternative, then you can consider the Cruor. Not only does the Cruor have three mid slots, it also receives a bonus to web range, so you could potentially fit it to web at bonused scorch ranges. The downside is that it's more expensive, and needs to be within conventional web range if you want to take advantage of its capacitor warfare bonuses.

The punisher is the same way, Magnus, and that's slower and bonused for armor. It's common to the Amarrian combat frigate, navy frigate, laser assault frigate and combat interceptor (and the more tackle-based inty doesn't even use lasers), so it's definitely a "thing" when dealing with small Amarrian laser ships. The Slicer and Crusader use their atypical speed while the Punisher would ideally have friends with him to accomplish a similar thing, but they're all 2-mid slot ships that can use close guns that can project decent damage beyond web range.

I don't understand your point Magnus, do you disagree with the rationale behind these ships not having space to fit a web alongside the standard prop mod and point is that, by virtue of being laser-based boats, they can fight outside of web range even with their close range weapon system?

I mean, I know some people like to fit a web and a prop mod on some of these ships sometimes and hope that the target either chooses not to warp off or doesn't notice that he can warp off, but I can't imagine that being the core idea behind the design?