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[Max Profit PI] As Easy as PI: Video How-To on P2 to P4 Chains
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Mister Holder
Faceless Men
#21 - 2017-03-19 20:06:21 UTC
HowDoI Shot wrote:
Mister Holder wrote:



Thanks for posting this. Never knew people had openly released PI charts like these. Will make deciding what P4 to run in my WH much easier.


Whichever route you decide, be aware that PI is fairly volatile right now so you will want to be open to switching chains to another p4 should the one you're making drop in price.

And to remind everyone about the conspiracy theorist above, Perimeter POCO taxes are still at 1% corp tax on top of the Empire tax.



Living in a WH at the moment so was just doing PI as a super passive income.

Only going to p2 or p3 for minimal interactions with the actual colonies I set up.
HowDoI Shot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2017-03-25 03:16:13 UTC
Mister Holder wrote:
HowDoI Shot wrote:
Mister Holder wrote:



Thanks for posting this. Never knew people had openly released PI charts like these. Will make deciding what P4 to run in my WH much easier.


Whichever route you decide, be aware that PI is fairly volatile right now so you will want to be open to switching chains to another p4 should the one you're making drop in price.

And to remind everyone about the conspiracy theorist above, Perimeter POCO taxes are still at 1% corp tax on top of the Empire tax.



Living in a WH at the moment so was just doing PI as a super passive income.

Only going to p2 or p3 for minimal interactions with the actual colonies I set up.


I've found P0 to P2 to be more profitable than p0 to p3, as the p3 severly limits your production chain capacity (cpu), but I'm in null. I hear planets are much more fulfilling in WH, so p3 may be more viable out there.
Krysenth
Saints Of Havoc
#23 - 2017-04-03 17:50:32 UTC
Mister Holder wrote:
HowDoI Shot wrote:
Mister Holder wrote:



Thanks for posting this. Never knew people had openly released PI charts like these. Will make deciding what P4 to run in my WH much easier.


Whichever route you decide, be aware that PI is fairly volatile right now so you will want to be open to switching chains to another p4 should the one you're making drop in price.

And to remind everyone about the conspiracy theorist above, Perimeter POCO taxes are still at 1% corp tax on top of the Empire tax.



Living in a WH at the moment so was just doing PI as a super passive income.

Only going to p2 or p3 for minimal interactions with the actual colonies I set up.

evegadgets.com lets you mimic your PI set up and lets you put in information such a link lengths, taxes, logistics, etc.
Da Apprentice
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#24 - 2017-04-09 20:57:46 UTC
HowDoI Shot wrote:
Mister Holder wrote:



Thanks for posting this. Never knew people had openly released PI charts like these. Will make deciding what P4 to run in my WH much easier.


Whichever route you decide, be aware that PI is fairly volatile right now so you will want to be open to switching chains to another p4 should the one you're making drop in price.

And to remind everyone about the conspiracy theorist above, Perimeter POCO taxes are still at 1% corp tax on top of the Empire tax.



So seems others in the thread were correct, tax's are now 11%. For a corp that is supposed to be noob friendly, scamming people I think would go against that methodology. Glad I checked before I started using them.
HowDoI Shot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2017-04-30 19:33:15 UTC
Da Apprentice wrote:


So seems others in the thread were correct, tax's are now 11%. For a corp that is supposed to be noob friendly, scamming people I think would go against that methodology. Glad I checked before I started using them.


Going to copy-paste from my other thread:

Apologies for the late response, finals and all that. The tax is still 1% corp tax as I've said all along. the extra 10% comes from the mandatory Empire (read: NPC) tax, which you can skill down to 5% via Customs Code Expertise, but is otherwise unchangeable by the owning corp. I've made that abundantly clear in all posts.

Nothing here is a scam, there is just some blatant fearmongering going on in my various threads because everyone loves to hate panfam.

To add on, that 10% Empire tax does not go to the owning corp, it is an NPC money sink.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#26 - 2017-05-02 16:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
I have no problem with you advertising your POCOs in Perimeter. I'd probably even consider using them for highsec P2->P4 production. Worst case scenario is you jack up the POCO rates and I'd have to space shot my remaining goods from the planet and scrap my PI setup there. The potential loss is negligible and so is the risk. I can't swear that this won't be a bait and switch at some point down the road, but this seems legit to me at the moment.

But selling a PI spreadsheet for 1 billion isk is just...distasteful - on many different levels. You can make some perfectly rational arguments for why it's okay, but It still feels sleazy to me and, as a result, I wouldn't go near your POCOs. It's much easier to accept the legitimacy of your POCO rates if I don't feel like you're nothing but a used car salesman. Frankly, I'm surprised PH lets you sell spreadsheets in conjunction with advertising their POCOs (they shouldn't).

On a related note, P2->P4 production near Jita is a perfectly viable activity (I did it successfully for a while). But I still wouldn't recommend it to most people - especially without a freighter. The necessary capital is not insignificant (about 3b isk for 6 planets) and you fly extremely large quantities of goods around in Epithals (about 500m isk loads) every 4-7 days depending on what you're producing. It's the least enjoyable thing I've done in EVE. Some people like that kind of thing, but you shouldn't spend 1b isk on a spreadsheet unless you're sure you're one of them. Honestly, creating your own isn't that hard.
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