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Proposed rule changes for Alliance Tournament XV

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Bei ArtJay
Better Off Red
Unspoken Alliance.
#21 - 2017-04-25 13:49:20 UTC
I think you guys are far to timid in your suggestions, I think the teams and format could handle a far more radical shake up (and no, I wouldn't propose fixed fittings or classes for AT! Big smile).

The points/class balance issue has been around forever and I feel the core of the issue is due to the imbalance within the classes, which makes them difficult to get right. CCP have to balance around the best ship within the class (Bhaal, Orthrus, Sleipnir, Curse, are obvious examples) which mean that a whole bunch of ships that might possibly be good in certain setups, or worth using in AT in certain scenarios are over priced (Machariel, Vigilant, Absolution, Huggin to reflect the above examples).

As a project I made this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1keviUuDChO9ok9F9uiE79r6Sqy40ZwD-nY_0X98DhAU/edit#gid=1981143692 thing for fun. It was only an initial pass so definitely needs fine tuning but something like this could be really fun I think. Concept is that each of the 254 potential AT hulls has a handicap value of 0, -1 or -2 points. If the base value of a Blackops for example is 19, and a Redeemer has a handicap of -2, then the Redeemer's value is 17. Whilst I am not sure the Redeemer would be viable at 17 still, I think something along these lines would unlock a HUGE amount of refreshing possibilities, totally overhauling the meta while still being in the spirit of AT. From an entertainment point of view I think the viewer would enjoy seeing a broader number of hulls fielded.
Soldarius
Brand Newbros
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2017-04-25 13:59:51 UTC
Bei ArtJay wrote:
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I would be fine with something like this. Not all ships within a class are as good as the others.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Bei ArtJay
Better Off Red
Unspoken Alliance.
#23 - 2017-04-26 08:09:21 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Bei ArtJay wrote:
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I would be fine with something like this. Not all ships within a class are as good as the others.


Yeah, to clarify tho I mean not as good as each other within the tournament context. Redeemer and panther are fine black ops for black ops...
Tzuko1
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
Snuffed Out
#24 - 2017-04-27 07:05:21 UTC


Its a nice idea, however there are less ships which are "above average" so why dont you raise those ships prices to make them harder to field properly. I think its way to easy at this point to field a lot big ships with proper support. There was a time when we had difficulties with that and had to field merlins only. Good old days :P
Bei ArtJay
Better Off Red
Unspoken Alliance.
#25 - 2017-04-27 12:49:00 UTC
Sure, you could invert it, and punish the 'meta' ships by giving them a handicap of +1, +2 etc and using the weakest ship in the class as the basline points value. Without doing the math, I like that better actually :D
Hoodie Mafia
Shiva
Northern Coalition.
#26 - 2017-04-28 10:10:14 UTC
Bei ArtJay wrote:
a far more radical shake up (and no, I wouldn't propose fixed fittings or classes for AT! Big smile).


We will personally come TP your house if you convince CCP to have prefit ships in the ATShocked
StarFleetCommander
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#27 - 2017-04-30 11:01:29 UTC
I like these suggestions, good write up!
Nika NOisER
Russian Thunder Squad
Pandemic Legion
#28 - 2017-05-02 14:08:06 UTC
just ban officer webs on bhaal. bhaal isn't OP without extra-long webs
allow t2 damage drones, and, may be, allow t2 shield bots
if capacitor transfers will be allowed, need to ban remote reps on t3

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