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Faction Warfare is F'd and something needs to be done
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#21 - 2017-04-28 23:39:30 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Stabbed frigates are essential to FW experience.

Yeah, recently there's been a huge outbreak of warp stabbing among a certain ::ahem:: churchy faction. For shame! Fully grown men or partly grown boys flying around low sec warp stabbed. Have they no pride? Of course, us on the other side could be doing it to. Don't know, I don't shoot at us.
Church Lady
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2017-04-29 01:20:14 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Stabbed frigates are essential to FW experience.

Yeah, recently there's been a huge outbreak of warp stabbing among a certain ::ahem:: churchy faction. For shame! Fully grown men or partly grown boys flying around low sec warp stabbed. Have they no pride? Of course, us on the other side could be doing it to. Don't know, I don't shoot at us.




Did someone say churchy?
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#23 - 2017-04-29 01:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Perkin Warbeck
Verlyn wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Factional Warfare needs to just be scrapped. It's a failed half-baked system.


And Fozziesov isnt ?

lmao


Except Fozziesov is one of the best fight instigators in the game. Want to get a fight? Go and entosis someone's stuff and wait for a reaction. Kill whatever turns up.

Faction Warfare doesn't have a similar mechanic to drive fights in the same way (gated plexes just don't do it) and as previous posters have pointed out the rewards are such that placing a low skillled alt in a stabbed frig and letting them grind LP all day is worth it.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2017-04-29 01:50:05 UTC
do you wanna entosis even for FW? Roll
jesus!

can't we find something more emh..... funny?

*i had fun once and i hated it, never again!*
Verlyn
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#25 - 2017-04-29 07:21:29 UTC
Alright so what more could we propose ccp to put a damp on the stabbed alpha invasion?

I met a guy the other night who managed to run several alpha accts on multiple computers, or somehow managed to run them all on one.

Personally i think a solution would be that Alphas should be limited what type of plexes they can enter, seeing that they pretty much farm large plexes, id say an alpha should only be able to enter novice plexes, and no higher.

If alphas want the full fw experience, then they should omega, imo.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#26 - 2017-04-29 07:41:48 UTC
Verlyn wrote:
Alright so what more could we propose ccp to put a damp on the stabbed alpha invasion?

I met a guy the other night who managed to run several alpha accts on multiple computers, or somehow managed to run them all on one.

Personally i think a solution would be that Alphas should be limited what type of plexes they can enter, seeing that they pretty much farm large plexes, id say an alpha should only be able to enter novice plexes, and no higher.

If alphas want the full fw experience, then they should omega, imo.

No, just limit the alpha LP as a % of an omega account or cap it by tier level regardless of the actual tier. Limiting to only certain plex formats doesnt allow a lot of leeway and imo there better ways of doing it if thats what your going for.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Verlyn
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#27 - 2017-04-29 08:03:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Verlyn
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
Alright so what more could we propose ccp to put a damp on the stabbed alpha invasion?

I met a guy the other night who managed to run several alpha accts on multiple computers, or somehow managed to run them all on one.

Personally i think a solution would be that Alphas should be limited what type of plexes they can enter, seeing that they pretty much farm large plexes, id say an alpha should only be able to enter novice plexes, and no higher.

If alphas want the full fw experience, then they should omega, imo.

No, just limit the alpha LP as a % of an omega account or cap it by tier level regardless of the actual tier. Limiting to only certain plex formats doesnt allow a lot of leeway and imo there better ways of doing it if thats what your going for.


Sounds good yea, but alpha lp gain would have to be considerably low so to make it unviable to farm.

I was thinking another also, to cap a site you would have to bring a site sized ship, so you could take down the timer of a large with a single frigate, but would need a BC or larger to complete the actual capping, so getting an omega friend to cap it for instance. That would also encourage people to better organize for pvp i think
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2017-04-29 15:25:22 UTC
Faction Warfare won't be fixed until you can completely conquer minmatar space and enslave all of those disgusting rustweasels.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#29 - 2017-04-29 16:22:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
I killed a war target Condor in a plex last night. Check out the important cargo it was hauling around FW space.
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#30 - 2017-04-30 15:25:55 UTC
You ofc realize thats probably a bit of loot from some stabbed minmatar/gal farmer he was lucky enough to kill before they could put down his doritos and look away from netflix.

Daemun of Khanid
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2017-04-30 17:00:47 UTC
Why not completely remove the ability to use stabs in a plex? If you're paying attention you see the ship coming at you from at least 1 AU anyway.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#32 - 2017-05-01 00:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Soel Reit wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Stabbed frigates are essential to FW experience.


almost as force reacon in the medium!Cool



Yeah I didn't realize force recons till a curse ate my daredevil. As for the OP, look into the system Hek sometimes, amarr militia camps the market station regularly.

Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Why not completely remove the ability to use stabs in a plex? If you're paying attention you see the ship coming at you from at least 1 AU anyway.


They aren't always paying attention.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#33 - 2017-05-01 04:46:20 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Factional Warfare needs to just be scrapped. It's a failed half-baked system.


And Fozziesov isnt ?

lmao


Except Fozziesov is one of the best fight instigators in the game. Want to get a fight? Go and entosis someone's stuff and wait for a reaction. Kill whatever turns up.

Faction Warfare doesn't have a similar mechanic to drive fights in the same way (gated plexes just don't do it) and as previous posters have pointed out the rewards are such that placing a low skillled alt in a stabbed frig and letting them grind LP all day is worth it.


and yet there are more fights happening in FW systems than in Null Sec. Roll

Just Add Water
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#34 - 2017-05-01 04:58:07 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Why not completely remove the ability to use stabs in a plex? If you're paying attention you see the ship coming at you from at least 1 AU anyway.

why pay attention when you can alt tab and wait for a warning sound

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#35 - 2017-05-01 09:00:16 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Factional Warfare needs to just be scrapped. It's a failed half-baked system.


And Fozziesov isnt ?

lmao


Except Fozziesov is one of the best fight instigators in the game. Want to get a fight? Go and entosis someone's stuff and wait for a reaction. Kill whatever turns up.

Faction Warfare doesn't have a similar mechanic to drive fights in the same way (gated plexes just don't do it) and as previous posters have pointed out the rewards are such that placing a low skillled alt in a stabbed frig and letting them grind LP all day is worth it.


and yet there are more fights happening in FW systems than in Null Sec. Roll


Count the number of FW systems. Then count the number of null sec systems. Do the math.

But I'm talking about quality not quantity. You want good fights of all different sizes and different tactics to learn and adapt to. Not chase the rabbit in a walled garden that limits ship sizes and how you engage an enemy.
Devon Stone
Doomheim
#36 - 2017-05-01 18:48:19 UTC
Nothing wrong with FW.

You sit in a plex for 15 - 30 minutes. Get LP. Done.

Working as intended.
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2017-05-01 22:42:21 UTC
Devon Stone wrote:
Nothing wrong with FW.

You sit in a plex for 15 - 30 minutes. Get LP. Done.

Working as intended.


And it absolutely sucks despite working as intended.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#38 - 2017-05-02 01:36:39 UTC
Desmios Sanguis wrote:
For the past 3 years (for the most part) gal/min have totally dominated amarr/caldari in faction warfare; it is getting to the point now where it is incredibly STUPID to even join calmil as you get -50% loyalty point gains, while galmil gets +75%.

I cannot join galmil as it would ruin my standings in space that I need jump clones.

Is everyone really OK with it being this 1-sided?



With a name like that you should be out striking terror in the hearts of heretics.

Or something.

As for FW, it's time for peace.

Faction war. Good God ya'll. What is it good for? You know the rest.


(Does the store have tie-tied shirts BTW?)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#39 - 2017-05-10 13:05:48 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Factional Warfare needs to just be scrapped. It's a failed half-baked system.


And Fozziesov isnt ?

lmao


Except Fozziesov is one of the best fight instigators in the game. Want to get a fight? Go and entosis someone's stuff and wait for a reaction. Kill whatever turns up.

Faction Warfare doesn't have a similar mechanic to drive fights in the same way (gated plexes just don't do it) and as previous posters have pointed out the rewards are such that placing a low skillled alt in a stabbed frig and letting them grind LP all day is worth it.


and yet there are more fights happening in FW systems than in Null Sec. Roll


Count the number of FW systems. Then count the number of null sec systems. Do the math.

But I'm talking about quality not quantity. You want good fights of all different sizes and different tactics to learn and adapt to. Not chase the rabbit in a walled garden that limits ship sizes and how you engage an enemy.


you mean how to press F1?

Just Add Water
Vokan Narkar
Doomheim
#40 - 2017-05-10 14:43:19 UTC
Hmm ok so the alpha stab farmers are not even present at screen so whats stopping you to put two faction scrams and farm them?
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