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Wars

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Cern Audeles
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-05-01 00:50:57 UTC
Hi,
I love this game but for one thing. The wars.
I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today.
So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss Sad
Roci Nantes
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2017-05-01 01:09:41 UTC
Find a pocket that is out of the way so you are less of a target. Have toons in npc corp you can mission/haul with. They can't wardec you that way. You just keep one toon in the corp and wait for the dec to end then back to business. They will stop issuing war decs if they have no targets.

If you fly in and out of major hubs in blingy ships, your going to attract some war decs. Then when you lose some nice ships the other groups will dec you to get in on the action.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#3 - 2017-05-01 02:45:21 UTC
The corp you are in is not helping you. As a new player, you need guidance on how to best do things. Someone to hold your hand for a little bit.

Your CEO isn't on your corp's killboard. For kills or losses. They're clearly not an active player. They're not there for you when you need them the most. Why should you stick around?

Go find a new corp. They must, upfront, before you join, tell you exactly how they help now players. Them saying they help isn't enough. You need some evidence to back that up.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#4 - 2017-05-01 02:46:29 UTC
There's a dirty little secret about wars the mercs don't want you to know: you don't have to fight them. You can drop to an NPC corp or move to a sister corp, and suddenly the war doesn't help them kill you.

The game also doesn't really give you any reason to fight them. If they decide you're an actual threat, they'll just dock up whenever you muster a fleet. They don't have to leave any assets in space for you to bash (unless you find their holding corp and wardec that, which has happened).

A signature :o

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#5 - 2017-05-01 03:49:12 UTC
You guys can all drop to an NPC corporation and still have fun with the casual stuff in highsec without all the war troubles. It's really easy to make a custom chat channel you can all share too.

Smile

@lunettelulu7

Sitting Bull Lakota
Poppins and Company
#6 - 2017-05-01 05:56:45 UTC
Cern Audeles wrote:
Hi,
I love this game but for one thing. The wars.
I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today.
So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss Sad
Dying to wardecs in highsec means that you're not paying attention and your overview is default (read: useless).
Here, read this: Feyd's Bumfinger Execution and Prevention Pack: Surviving Wardecs

The only thing that's dated is the part about watchlisting. Now no one knows if you're online or not unless they're in system with you.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#7 - 2017-05-01 06:18:35 UTC
Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#8 - 2017-05-01 06:57:24 UTC
Cern Audeles wrote:
Hi,
...
So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but,... Sad



This is not the answer.
Hisec wars can be avoided, you sub again and you do your thing and you avoid the big, eat the little.
Soon you will shed your tail, grow legs and emerge from hisec as a mighty belching frog.




Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#9 - 2017-05-01 07:15:41 UTC
/me puts pencil to tip of tongue...
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"Buffer... zone... Grumps." Just jotting that down for, uh... reference? Research? Yeah, research, that's it.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#10 - 2017-05-01 07:23:14 UTC
If you are a group of vets, you should know how to manage wars. It isn't difficult to remain active.
Magnus Jax
#11 - 2017-05-01 07:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Jax
- Just because someone has played for a long time doesn't mean he knows what he's doing

- Just because someone knows what he's doing doesn't mean he's willing & capable of teaching newbies properly

- Just because a corp states to be newbie friendly doesn't mean it is

- Just because people think that "newbie friendly" means "allowing them to join" doesn't mean that's the right way to look at it

- Just because you want to be "left alone to do your own thing" doesn't mean EVE will or should give you that option

- Just because other MMO's do allow for this "safe space" doesn't mean EVE should have or get this

- Just because you're used to not have to put in active effort to do well in any of the other MMO's doesn't mean the same approach will work in EVE



EVE is not for everyone and we all had to go through the same situation as you and we all had 2 choices: fight or flight.

- fighting doesn't necessarily mean actually fighting the wardeccers (although if done right you will learn a lot, have a fun time and might even make new friends). It's mostly is about "dealing with it" in an active, intelligent and informed way. It really isn't very difficult to deal with wardecs and do just fine, even as a relative newbie. Another part of this is realising that the corp you're in apparently doesn't support you in this and that it's probably best to find a group that sucks a bit less.

- flight means giving up and quitting EVE. Many of us have rage quit at some point for whatever reason, many of us came back because in the end there's nothing like EVE.
Keno Skir
#12 - 2017-05-01 09:33:52 UTC
Fairly sure this is a troll. But on the offchance it's not, OP wardecs are easy to avoid even for a new player. Try a few solutions before you give up.
Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
#13 - 2017-05-01 10:56:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Percy Cuscaden
I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.

I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.

Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with.
Aedaxus
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2017-05-01 11:21:11 UTC
Sorry to hear you unsubbed. I hope one day the game environment will be better for you. Hang in there.

Just try and find a nice place for your main character(s) where they can play. Some nice high sec area. Have 1 or 2 alts on other places set up with minimal skills for missioning and adventuring.

Now if for some reason you or one fo your friends TRIGGERS your closeby ganksquad and you get a unilateral wardec, ccp on purpose does not explain your enemy has to pay a weekly fee for it. Thus time is your advantage. So, make sure they don't get a kill in, you have 24 hours after the declaration to log onto your alts and play with them. As long as you avoid them they will be forced to stop the war of attrition you just won. They have no loot, no killboard to brag about, no nothing. You can even use those alts to troll them and do just like they do as this is what high sec PVP is all about.

99.99% of the EVE Online PVP is abusing game mechanics and CCP promotes this. Also stay subbed, the new system has to be successfull for CCP to sell the IP.







DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2017-05-01 11:51:35 UTC
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.

I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.

Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with.

Yeah, that situation suck's due to the WarDec game mechanic being abused and exploited just for lol's.

Probably a good idea to create an alt character, train up the necessary skills and assign it as Corp CEO. Then you can use your main to continue playing and just leave Corp during WarDec and still play the game without having to deal with all the BS.



DMC
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#16 - 2017-05-01 12:40:02 UTC
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.

Since the changes to the watchlist mechanics, I have noticed much more that we get wardecced whenever someone from our corp visits a trade hub in an industrial.

With a high frequency, if someone goes to a trade hub in a T1 hauler or freighter, a wardec comes a few minutes later.

So, in addition to the suggestion of DMC above, it's also worth looking at using a alt in NPC Corps to visit trade hubs anytime you need and then use courier contracts to have stuff delivered to you. That way, there is no link to you from your alt and no Corp to wardec because the alt is in an NPC corp.

However, we don't mission or do any PVE in highsec at all. So I am not sure that approach would work well if you run missions from popular mission agents.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#17 - 2017-05-01 12:50:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Ah, high sec war dec complaint thread # 4,612,491, right on time.

And If I dare suggest people try the other 84.5% of New Eden space that isn't high sec (while at the same time supposedly being SAFER THAN HIGH SEC according to just about everyone in high sec), well that's just wrong, ain't it...
Black Pedro
Mine.
#18 - 2017-05-01 13:43:12 UTC
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.

Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with.
Dropping to the NPC is the intended solution for you to exit a war you to not want to participate in. Just do so and you can carry on playing the game as you choose.

I just don't get the petulant attitude here. If you don't want to deal with wars, stay in the NPC corp. Why do you act like this is a big deal or a personal affront to you? If you are unable or unwilling to defend your corp, you should not have one. What possible use can a corporation have for you and two people? Are you just upset over a trifling amount of tax? Just set up a shared chat channel with your friends and play the game war-free, or if you really must have your tax-evasion shell corp, hop back and forth as the wars come and go.

Corporations are the competitive unit of this game and are intended to mean something. I do think there should be a non-competitive alternative corporation or social structure, but this weekly whining from players who don't even need the corporation structure to play the game in highsec solo or with a few friends is tiresome. CCP has always provided a way for wars to go away, or to not even happen in the first place and it works just fine: the NPC corp.

There is a line in the sand here. Be part of a player corporation who is in direct competition with all the other corporations in New Eden with all the benefits and responsibilities that entails, or sit out of this competition in the NPC corp and do your thing in more safety, but with slightly less reward. You have to choose. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

This game is about tradeoffs. Please stop complaining that you have to make choices.

Josef Djugashvilis
#19 - 2017-05-01 14:57:33 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated


I take it you are going to leave CODE then.

How did the Alliance Tournament go for you guys a couple of years ago?

This is not a signature.

Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
#20 - 2017-05-01 15:31:20 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:

This game is about tradeoffs. Please stop complaining that you have to make choices.


I have been in my 13 year old corp which has RL friends who come back from time to time. This has not been a problem before. We had one spate of random war decs from the Marmite Collective and others in June last year. Now in one month I get two.

How many people have you come across that are in their corp after 13 years? I need to leave now because some alliance wants to randomly wardec me every time they feel bored and need new targets (all 2 of us)?

I see no fun in a mechanic which allows full alliances to war dec small corps.

http://imgur.com/a/KaVqC

This is the first time I have "whined" about this issue. This corp was created 13 years ago for friends to stay in touch whenever they came back to the game. Like you note, it is high time CCP gave us a non-competitive structure which facilitates us staying in touch with our friends without having to sit in a structure which leaves us open to being war decced against our will when some other group of players feels bored.

Apologies for being "petulant" after 13 years in my corp. I have been quite happy with my cake until now.







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