Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think this kind of downtime would be very fun for anyone, since a lot of people have ganking alts this is just an absurdly long timer for them to wait out AFK or offline, and generally speaking ganking doesn't need a nerf like this at all.

I'd say the above holds even if you remove the no-CONCORD part of this, which essentially makes this a week long suspect timer.

Even without that the no kill rights and no standing loss doesn't really make this particularly fun or interesting, it's just an additional penalty for ganking and doesn't add anything that isn't already present for the kill rights that are already handed out for a gank.

We did this idea a couple of weeks ago, it was shite and unnecessarily punitive then, it's still shite and unnecessarily punitive now.

You and your ilk are constantly claiming that ganking doesn't have risks and consequences, yet you're afraid to incur those 'non existent' risks and consequences

If you want to make life more difficult for gankers, try thinking about how you play and what you do with your stuff. The nature of the sandbox is such that the level of risk and consequence, over and above that provided by the game engine, is entirely up to you.

Gankers are bored nullsec carrier ratting carebears that have too much isk anyway. They don't know what risk or loss means.

No matter how you try to spin this, it's still just "nerf ganking" and also quite a bad idea.

Now after gank they just warp out, dock and wait till timer off, board new cata/trasher and fly kill new victim.
Nothing u can do with this. KR system is broken.
But with this long suspect timer everyone will have the opportunity to take revenge.
Gankers victim will can camp station, gate, scan them and just kill in comfortable conditions for himself.
Gankers always say they wanna PVP&Interaction so CCPls give it to him!

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Ever hear the phrase "solution in need of a problem"? If your proposed timer would have little impact on anything then there's no point in adding it to the game. You don't come up with random ideas and throw everything in unless you can prove that it shouldn't exist, you have to demonstrate that an idea is a worthy addition to the game before even considering adding it.

And beyond that, your idea is a terrible one. It has little effect on the players that are actively engaged in ganking, and can very easily get into "permanently ruin your character" territory if/when those players decide to play some other part of EVE. You could very easily end up not being able to do anything in highsec for months, or even years as you wait out the suspect timer. And I think it should be obvious why, in a sandbox game like EVE, it's a bad idea to have players effectively permanently locked out of some parts of the sandbox because of choices they made a long time ago.

Contrast this with going -10, which has an even harsher version of your proposed permanent suspect status as a consequence but also a fairly straightforward (if expensive) solution if you decide that you want to do something besides piracy.

Of course. Despite the narrative in thread after thread of ideas for the need 'harsher consequences' for illegal highsec aggression, they would do nothing. Highsec criminality is already so harshly punished that no one but the dedicated criminals will pay the current consequences. They make you so vulnerable, and at such a disadvantage in any PvP encounter once you become an outlaw that you are all but forced to hide in a station all the time and can't even engage in a fair fight even if you want to, not to mention normal income-generating activities in highsec. The faction police limit the types of ships criminals can fly and prevent them from fighting anyone "fairly" given the NPCs will step in and kill them, so they stay safe in stations, only emerging for the minimal amount of time to commit a crime and then go back to ground.

Yes, you can argue that alts allow them to shirk the 'consequences' of being a criminal but Eve is a game of alts so there is no solution to this. Anyone can make one of their three characters a law-abiding ally of the Empires, and another a dastardly pirate and there is nothing you can do to prevent that. Harsher penalties just minimize the chances of the pirate characters and the law-abiding/law-enforcing characters from interacting and prevent "good guys" from attacking the looters, scouts and logistic support characters of the criminals without also dedicating a character to a life of crime.

The worst offender contributing to this situation are the faction police who prevent most of the PvP from finding the criminals by keeping the outlaws in station for most of the time and shooting them better than any player character ever could. If you want criminals to loiter in space and open a window for vigilantes to find them and explode, that is where you should look to increase player interaction and bring more PvP to outlaws. That though, I am afraid, is a topic for another thread.

Putting aside the issue of whether this solves a problem that needs to be fixed (which gets hundreds of pages pro and anti on these forums and elsewhere).

If there is a problem that needs solving, the ideal solution is one that enables CCP to remove rules, code, and complication. Not add them.

Of course many people want to remove code. But that's a seperate issue.