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Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#101 - 2012-01-23 07:00:37 UTC
Why hisec?

Kids. Hot girlfriend. Partying on the weekends. Well-paid job. Running a business.

That's why hisec.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Umega
Solis Mensa
#102 - 2012-01-23 07:39:34 UTC
I demand the title of this thread be changed to 'Assumption vs Truth'.

Can lead a donkey to water, can't make the donkey drink.

I'm not going to address some of the misconceptions from my perspective.. it looks, pointless to even try.

Other than state.. it really is poor logic to lump every single member of a null alliance into a stereotype. And then ontop of that.. lump all null sec core players into a single derogatory stereotype. The people that tend to do this are so bitter.. simply because they really do NOT get this game. They never will. Forget them.. they will be forgotten eventually anyway.

There are plenty of well rounded, good down to earth people across all of null/low, all them alliances, pirates, whatever. They are just playing this game.. EVE. Everybody Verse Everybody or as I like to call it, Enjoying Vicarious Entertainment.

In my experinces.. I dare say those people that stem n stay n live only in highsec are more mentally f'd up than the rest (idk some of you wh'ers are pretty nuts too). Take things too serious. Don't throw caution to the wind.. cause this is merely a video game. A 'cruel harsh'.. video game. Really.. it's only as harsh as your mind lets it be.

Highsec is so repeatative. I mean.. really.. really.. really badly repeatative. You all should be thankful things take place to 'grief' you. Ultimately.. it should just spice up the game for you and your life. Can only mine a rock with a pointless lil frig rat daisy slapping you so much.. can only run the same ole 4s so much.. same Incursions.. same mind numbingly easy exploration sites.. cart supplies from same hub to n from.. click invention/research jobs on.. before, you're Dead. There are no stories.. no room for growth. There is nothing epic about amassing billions.. when you do nothing with it. A shiny is only shiny when you take it out to let it shine.

And the most important thing you can set out to shine in this 'vicious', 'harsh', 'evil' MMO called EVE.. is Yourself. Tough to do when you are trapped in a never ending repeatative cycle.. that you have your mind believing is the correct way. Fear, afraid of what's beyond the Door. Afraid of losing.

Here is a hint for some of you..

You are going to lose everything when you quit. Make the most of everything you have while you have it here.. enjoy this game to it's full potential and let yourselves go. Some day you will quit.. what is wealth without memories? Only memories will be remembered.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-01-23 07:57:30 UTC
@ Umega

plenty of cliche ..

memories are irrelevant in same way as anything else. Universe will cease to exist at some point an time..
And memories of minor achievement in game will not be remembered even in next generation..

Your kids will not remember anything about your grand father/mother. And what they will remember is up to "goverment" and what they want people to become/ what they allow to be lectured. What side of history etc.

It will take approximately two full generation to create common knowledge of 1+1=3
Umega
Solis Mensa
#104 - 2012-01-23 08:17:28 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
@ Umega

plenty of cliche ..

memories are irrelevant in same way as anything else. Universe will cease to exist at some point an time..
And memories of minor achievement in game will not be remembered even in next generation..

Your kids will not remember anything about your grand father/mother. And what they will remember is up to "goverment" and what they want people to become/ what they allow to be lectured. What side of history etc.

It will take approximately two full generation to create common knowledge of 1+1=3


Okey dokes, soothsayer.

And for all you know the Universe will collapse and repop into the same Universe, because mathematical ties are so strong like that. All the formulas of the past re-formulate into the same equations, with the same contests and the same outcomes. And your life, and your memories repeat themselves again.. and for those that failed in a video game will fail again.And those that share a laugh and enjoy the game that it was meant to be played will enjoy it again.. and again.. and again.. while those fear mongers are clutching the nonexistent pixel items/wealth for no good reason other than to horde.

I liked my transformers out of the package when I was kid. And I beat the **** out of them, blown one up with a cherry bomb.. and had a blast. Keeping them in a box, never to be used.. is a waste of a moment, a memory. Simple analogy to my point.

 Ume-Pro Studios
pussnheels
Viziam
#105 - 2012-01-23 08:39:13 UTC
Umega wrote:
I demand the title of this thread be changed to 'Assumption vs Truth'.

Can lead a donkey to water, can't make the donkey drink.

I'm not going to address some of the misconceptions from my perspective.. it looks, pointless to even try.

Other than state.. it really is poor logic to lump every single member of a null alliance into a stereotype. And then ontop of that.. lump all null sec core players into a single derogatory stereotype. The people that tend to do this are so bitter.. simply because they really do NOT get this game. They never will. Forget them.. they will be forgotten eventually anyway.

There are plenty of well rounded, good down to earth people across all of null/low, all them alliances, pirates, whatever. They are just playing this game.. EVE. Everybody Verse Everybody or as I like to call it, Enjoying Vicarious Entertainment.

In my experinces.. I dare say those people that stem n stay n live only in highsec are more mentally f'd up than the rest (idk some of you wh'ers are pretty nuts too). Take things too serious. Don't throw caution to the wind.. cause this is merely a video game. A 'cruel harsh'.. video game. Really.. it's only as harsh as your mind lets it be.

Highsec is so repeatative. I mean.. really.. really.. really badly repeatative. You all should be thankful things take place to 'grief' you. Ultimately.. it should just spice up the game for you and your life. Can only mine a rock with a pointless lil frig rat daisy slapping you so much.. can only run the same ole 4s so much.. same Incursions.. same mind numbingly easy exploration sites.. cart supplies from same hub to n from.. click invention/research jobs on.. before, you're Dead. There are no stories.. no room for growth. There is nothing epic about amassing billions.. when you do nothing with it. A shiny is only shiny when you take it out to let it shine.

And the most important thing you can set out to shine in this 'vicious', 'harsh', 'evil' MMO called EVE.. is Yourself. Tough to do when you are trapped in a never ending repeatative cycle.. that you have your mind believing is the correct way. Fear, afraid of what's beyond the Door. Afraid of losing.

Here is a hint for some of you..

You are going to lose everything when you quit. Make the most of everything you have while you have it here.. enjoy this game to it's full potential and let yourselves go. Some day you will quit.. what is wealth without memories? Only memories will be remembered.


Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs

I am so sick and tired of you socalled nullsec elitist who think everything done by CCP is for them alone and that people shoulkd play this game your way and anybody thinking otherwise should leave or if they don't leave voluntarry , grief them out of the game
and what is most hypocrite of all , you ullsec assholes are the first to cry because they rarely find new members these days anymore and can't understand why people refuse to go to nullsec

You ve done nothing out there except complaining about high sec and the lack of things to do or to explore , there is plenty to do out there , you nullsec assholes are just too blind and too lazy or stupid to see it

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Umega
Solis Mensa
#106 - 2012-01-23 08:56:16 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Umega wrote:
I demand the title of this thread be changed to 'Assumption vs Truth'.

Can lead a donkey to water, can't make the donkey drink.

I'm not going to address some of the misconceptions from my perspective.. it looks, pointless to even try.

Other than state.. it really is poor logic to lump every single member of a null alliance into a stereotype. And then ontop of that.. lump all null sec core players into a single derogatory stereotype. The people that tend to do this are so bitter.. simply because they really do NOT get this game. They never will. Forget them.. they will be forgotten eventually anyway.

There are plenty of well rounded, good down to earth people across all of null/low, all them alliances, pirates, whatever. They are just playing this game.. EVE. Everybody Verse Everybody or as I like to call it, Enjoying Vicarious Entertainment.

In my experinces.. I dare say those people that stem n stay n live only in highsec are more mentally f'd up than the rest (idk some of you wh'ers are pretty nuts too). Take things too serious. Don't throw caution to the wind.. cause this is merely a video game. A 'cruel harsh'.. video game. Really.. it's only as harsh as your mind lets it be.

Highsec is so repeatative. I mean.. really.. really.. really badly repeatative. You all should be thankful things take place to 'grief' you. Ultimately.. it should just spice up the game for you and your life. Can only mine a rock with a pointless lil frig rat daisy slapping you so much.. can only run the same ole 4s so much.. same Incursions.. same mind numbingly easy exploration sites.. cart supplies from same hub to n from.. click invention/research jobs on.. before, you're Dead. There are no stories.. no room for growth. There is nothing epic about amassing billions.. when you do nothing with it. A shiny is only shiny when you take it out to let it shine.

And the most important thing you can set out to shine in this 'vicious', 'harsh', 'evil' MMO called EVE.. is Yourself. Tough to do when you are trapped in a never ending repeatative cycle.. that you have your mind believing is the correct way. Fear, afraid of what's beyond the Door. Afraid of losing.

Here is a hint for some of you..

You are going to lose everything when you quit. Make the most of everything you have while you have it here.. enjoy this game to it's full potential and let yourselves go. Some day you will quit.. what is wealth without memories? Only memories will be remembered.


Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs

I am so sick and tired of you socalled nullsec elitist who think everything done by CCP is for them alone and that people shoulkd play this game your way and anybody thinking otherwise should leave or if they don't leave voluntarry , grief them out of the game
and what is most hypocrite of all , you ullsec assholes are the first to cry because they rarely find new members these days anymore and can't understand why people refuse to go to nullsec

You ve done nothing out there except complaining about high sec and the lack of things to do or to explore , there is plenty to do out there , you nullsec assholes are just too blind and too lazy or stupid to see it


Heh.

I'll keep this simple with a minor question.. and let the differences in each other's post allow others to draw their own conclusions.

Why do you think Goons attacked ice miners?

 Ume-Pro Studios
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-01-23 08:57:28 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs

Heh. I think someone took a look in the mirror and described themselves, but to make them feel better about themselves, they replaced "I" with "you nullsec dwellers".

Have a tinfoil hat and some anti-bitter.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#108 - 2012-01-23 09:08:24 UTC
Skim read some of the thread, full of null vs high politics so I skipped most of it.

What I would say from my point of view.

Back when I first played EVE several years ago , high sec income was dire, the only way to make decent isk was to get involved in the more PvP orientated game (lo-null). After returning some 3 years later that is no longer the case, a high seccer these days can quite happily afford to plex there account and afford some shineys on top (dependent on what you do) . Makes the 'job ingame' style of null sec seem less worthwhile, why join some little hitlers personal military just to earn a bit more, what you gonna do with all that isk anyway?

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Sicex
#109 - 2012-01-23 09:08:26 UTC
Umega wrote:
Why do you think Goons attacked ice miners?


Duh, they're meanie heads... Roll
Black Dranzer
#110 - 2012-01-23 09:12:25 UTC
I live in highsec because that's where Jita is. In my (admittedly limited) experience, the lowsec and nullsec markets are absolutely horrendous.

I'd be more inclined to do faction warfare if it wasn't, you know, ****.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#111 - 2012-01-23 09:24:51 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Cry

Quality tears.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#112 - 2012-01-23 09:31:06 UTC
I choose high sec because all the 'evil people' we fight in CTAs sort targets alphabetically after they kill the important things. ACE is pretty high on that list

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2012-01-23 09:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Pillowtalk
Andski wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Andski wrote:
saltrock0000 wrote:
0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.

The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's


Those are the alliances that fall apart the second a more powerful entity looks at them crosswise.

saltrock0000 wrote:
People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's


ship replacement programs? what an innovative idea, if only we had thought of that and implemented a comprehensive ISK compensation program for strat ops and a partial compensation program for roaming/solo PvP

oh wait, we have, and we're far from the first alliance to do that!


And then look at the 15% tax needed to run that "partial" programme. Roll


ahahahaha taxes

son, we have 60+ tech moons, taxes just keep the wallet healthy

fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december



I may not know Eve perfectly, but I'm a pro at math. So lets take a looksie......

2400 technetium a day x 30 days x 60 moons x 100,000 isk per unit =

432 billion a month

And your reimbursement program is "partial" AND you have a 15% tax rate AND you claim that your members aren't your slaves.

Now Im gunna go nuts here trying to help you out and say it costs 400,000,000 isk a month to keep one of those technetium POS's fueled. That comes to 24 billion.


That would give us 432 bil - 24 bil =408 bil - 120 bil paid out for ship replacement = 288 billion


Hmm 288 billion profit a month AND a 15% tax rate on your members, and we didn't even include income from other moons.




You Sir fail at math, and you have shown just how much nullsec really is slavery, and I am calling the IRS on you. Do they know about these 60 tech moons?

Don't violence me bro!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-01-23 09:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money.

I'm literally shocked.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Teowulff Odinson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-01-23 09:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Teowulff Odinson
Well nullsec isn't for casual players like me.

After having been absent for a while due to RL things I'm not really waiting to see my stuff lost in some station that's been taken over.
I don't like being extremely dependent on my corpies.
I don't want to answer CTAs when I don't feel like it.
I'm not interested in blob wars.

And so on. I would like a universe like in starwars with remote neutral outposts and outlaws - but nulsec is hardly like that.
Things like interdictors and gate camps really make things a lot less casual player friendly. Especially if you have to travel hours to get there in the first place. I just don't have time for that.

Next to that there's not a lot of incentives for solo or small groups. There's no way you can do risky hit-and-run raids on high-end moon installations to steal the materials, for example. No way to make phat loot in a small amount of time. There's no way to smuggle stuff because there isn't anything to smuggle. You can't make a secret base our outpost on some planet because everything in a system can easily be D-scanned or probed and you can't cloak outposts. There's no way you can hide. There's actually not a lot of rewarding adventurous things to do for solo players or small groups.

Highsec is just easy. Everything is available and within acceptable range. Admitted, it gets a bit boring but that's also due to the game mechanics. Missions could be more exciting. Mining could have been designed to be more fun and challening.
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-01-23 09:39:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Pillowtalk
Lord Zim wrote:
Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money.

I'm literally shocked.



Well from the looks of the map Goons hold about 60ish systems or so.

So if we divide 288 billion by 60 we get 4.8 billion per system per month.


So it costs 4.8 billion to buy and run the sov structures for a month?


Come on now, you're gunna have to give me more than that if you wanna win me over to your way of thinking.

4.8 billion per system per month is still a butt load of cash.

Also don't forget we are ONLY talking about your income from tech moons. We haven't touched the income from other sources such as lower quality moons or the 15% tax, or your market manipulation shenanigans.

Funny part is that you guys are probably generating more money on average per system with tech moons alone then the average combined income from everyone in a high sec system that mines in a month.

And you guys look at us and talk about how much we make and how safe we are? lol

Don't violence me bro!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#117 - 2012-01-23 09:48:52 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:
People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise.

0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.

The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's

There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements

People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's

The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time.

This is a game people should paly it for fun



I have been on a sh!tty alliance like that.

That's why I dumped them and switched to another. Big deal, eh?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2012-01-23 09:49:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Pillowtalk wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Oh look, someone doesn't understand that SOV etc (and shinies such as JBs) actually costs money.

I'm literally shocked.



Well from the looks of the map Goons hold about 60ish systems or so.

So if we divide 288 billion by 60 we get 4.8 billion per system per month.


So it costs 4.8 billion to buy and run the sov structures for a month?


Come on now, you're gunna have to give me more than that if you wanna win me over to your way of thinking.

4.8 billion per system per month is still a butt load of cash.

Also don't forget we are ONLY talking about your income from tech moons. We haven't touched the income from other sources such as lower quality moons or the 15% tax, or your market manipulation shenanigans.

Add supers investment, JB fuel, fuel for the ships fuelling the JBs, and building an actual warchest for when tech isn't the go-to moon anymore, and there you go.

I'm not saying we're running a not-for-profit organization here, but the reason the reimbursement is "partial" and still not higher than 120b is because we're not giving people fully fitted ships (we're reimbursing the difference between cost of a new ship and insurance), and we haven't lost more ships.

Also, I didn't PVP for a full month because I didn't feel like it. I'm feeling like such a slave.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#119 - 2012-01-23 09:55:18 UTC
I still don't understand why people associate themselves with security levels

So I choose New Eden.

.
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-01-23 10:00:56 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:


I'm not saying we're running a not-for-profit organization here


Why not? Shouldn't everyone receive equal parts of the profits seeing as nothing an alliance accomplishes is done alone?

Why should any of the higher ups get a stash of money so big that they could play eve for free for the next 50 years?




Wallstreet anyone? And you guys portray yourselves as anti-establishment. lol

Don't violence me bro!