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The current CSM is biased and so onesided in nullsec/goons makeup , they do not represent the number of people that actually voted because of voting manpulation; let alone represent the players
Add the fact that some of them including the chairman are absolute assholes and don't know a thing about what this game is all about and the fact that they are claiming that every improvement was because of them and not CCP , yeah so you got a re'cipe for some serious distrust

Fully agree with you, Clyde.

The problem is ignorance. This CSM-rage crowd consistently ignore facts, common sense and refuse to educate themselves on the topic, and instead repeat their tinfoil bs in a proper Tea Party style.

I think what you mean is "they represent the people who actually took out their pacifier and actually went and voted".


No, what you have is a recipe for a bitter twit raging impotently and flinging accusations which don't hold water, and a demand for faction-grade tinfoil hats.

he means vote manipulation cos they are in large alliances, therefore they are very likelly to get large amount of votes.
peopl that are in smaller alliances are very unlikelly to get many votes. technically your alliance/coalitiom size determines the outcome

You have a mustache and are therefore evil. Why should we listen to you?

The idea that w-space is too difficult to invade is laughable. W-space lends itself to relatively small numbers of occupancy. A typical w-space system will only support small numbers of active players. W-space systems such as c1, c2, c3 that don't static to other w-space systems will only support 1, 2, 3 people respectively to justify the costs and difficulties of being there. Systems that static to other w-space systems will certainly sustain more but you're never going to cram enough people into those systems to protect it from the blobs that nullsec would dearly love to put into them.

Invading the systems currently, while more difficult than assembling a blob of overwelming force is not so difficult that it can't be done. Looking at the masses allowed by the majority of wormholes you can fit +20 bs's, or +140 BC's, or +170 cruisers or + 1900 frigates. The pluses are to indicate that other wormholes allow for even more. And yet, I've never seen a w-space system with over 20 active pilots living there. Though I will concede that C5's and C6's may support more active inhabitants. But the masses on their holes are sufficiently increased to allow for forces large enough to gain control of entry and exits. Making w-space easier to invade only means one thing: the promotion of blob warfare and making the most difficult task of an invasion, the muster of the fleet.

Gaining control of w-space systems typically requires less that 140 pilots, as exampled by the number of BC's above. In fact, after control is established over the incoming/outgoing wormholes, the invasion force is clear to bring in more by rolling the holes for fresh ones with their masses reset to allow even more ships. The organization I'm in does this on a weekly basis with fair success. How is it noone there is complaining that w-space is too difficult to invade?

As for clone vats: yeah, would love it. But please lets not allow Two Step to give it to us in order to use it as leverage for "balancing" w-space and make it more like nullsec. As far as I'm concerned Two Step is a nullsec'er in wormholer's clothing. We currently do fine without clonevats. But, it's nullsec inhabitants that are used to the idea of jumping in/out of multi-billion dollar implanted clones as it suits them. Ultimately, clonevat and easier invasion are two features that serve only nullsec.

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I will give my opinion as I did vote...

I start by saying that there's a misconception that all this is Goons fault and that Mittani his this and that... I will not go into Goons per say as they are not the CSM, I will say that what I've seen from The Mittani makes me think the man is doing work, coming up with ideas and the likes, so I would consider him a valued member, on the other hand, some CSM members are IMHO a complete waste of votes, I consult the forum on occasion so not much time in here, however, in the little time I spend reading threads of my own interest and doing my business I have stumble upon these posts:








I am certain there's more garbage around but to make my point across I believe these will suffice.

So I ask all that voted, is this kind of pathetic people you want in CSM?

And ask CCP, why is there not in place some sort of scrutiny about the quality of CSM members? Reading crap like that only makes you as a company look bad (trying to not write pathetic again) seems you have no will to change whatever CSM is about, what I take from it is that, you created CSM to show all of us you are so great that even have a board of players you listen to... and leave it at that. Please use some QA or some sort of reference to determined these people's quality for the job, hell even the most powerful man on earth can be impeached, please clean CSM house urgently, there must be a measure of quality in order to be part of it, using a CSM Tag should imply responsibility for what you write.

CCP probable won't even read my post much less do anything about this issue, the number of voters is extremely low and by keeping this as is it will be even worse.

I play EvE because I love the game (have had more love in the past, with the passing time its getting thinner) and because I see (as so many) the great potential it holds, however I tell you this, if a similar game comes along you will never see me here again, I had at one point 12 accounts, its now down to 5, I am of no importance to you if I and others such as me leave the game? The answer is probable “Yes”. Time will tell...

Doesn't matter if we vote. The rest of New Eden doesn't have the cohesiveness of Null that is directly related to the amount of isk that comes out of there and who controls it.

Even if the rest of New Eden were solidified, how likely do you think it would be that the trillions of isk that the null alliances have to spend from their moon goo isk fountains and RMT businesses will be used to buy the votes? Quite high as there are no mechanics in place to enforce the prohibition of such.

The whole idea of CSM is flawed from conception to execution. There is nothing to be done about it without some radical and intensive interventions from CCP. That's never going to happen.

The cheapest and easiest thing CCP could do to combat that would be to randomly pick through lottery from the playerbase. And even then it would be highly suspect given the ties CCP employees have to null and maybe even RMT.

I may hate goons just as anyone else, but the fact remains CSMs were elected and you do not have any proof of foul play. You acknowledge they won fair and square by getting support from their alliance and sadly, people with support do prevail in elections. Honestly, I rather have a CSM composed of players that truly experienced all aspects of EVE rather than those solely playing in highsec. Highsecers helping balance Supercaps, Moons and 0.0 *PVP*? Lol?



Please enlighten us on what this game is all about.



Such a bold statement begs the question; can I see your source? Surely lots of improvements were suggested by the CSM while CCP focused on fixing them and adding new content.

As a end note, I love how the OP keeps owning all the "CSM-hate" posts with simple logic :)

Couldn't this very same question be asked about those who voted a new USA president the day before?