Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh, and more stargates would be buildable (and destroyable?). Except the only thing they can send one-way without the other end built would be pods...

And when you die, you'd wind up back in empire space, and have to go back in a pod.

Interesting mechanic for getting into the new space, requiring taking a pod and nothing else.

Your noobship creation idea is interesting, but a bit complicated, maybe in each system there is a disabled shipyard you need to activate instead? Possibly enough salvage lying around the system to build a limited range of ships, with inbuild blueprints programmed in. Ie base combat, basic mining barge, base exploration.

I do not see the requirement for no NPC stations though, but I like the idea that blueprints for the new equipment (all equipment in the newspace) comes from rat drops, with a market coming into being as people have surpluses. But there is no fluid router link to New eden so your isk there is inaccessible.

Skillbooks could be extracted from sites by hacking, but naturally hacking modules would Need to be built into the base exploration ship.

We would need to rebuild like EVE in the beginning, but without needing NPC seeded markets to kickstart things.
There would not be any time pressure to hurry the process along, maybe a tweak to keep us on track, to match CCPs new eden deadlines, for the pioneers it will be exploration and exploration combat on "extreme" mode.

A place to build and develop, a home to create, not just another extension of The current universe, but with NPCs twisted and devious enough that Gankers and Griefers, will not find life easy. Predictable and repeatable tactics will get slaughtered, gate-camping chokepoints will be a fatal mistake. The entry points into the new universe will be have the strongest responding NPC's and the furthest away the most relaxed, in the new entry systems PVP will be like chum in the water, attracted to the aggressor Who will be swarmed by them! A far more agressive response than concord. But further away, NPC's can become part of your combat tactics.

WE will build the universe, not NPC's but NPC's will keep it interesting. Plenty of opportunity for PVP, but to do so in entry systems "get gud!" Farming pods as they come in and out is NOT going to end well. The mechanic would basically encourage all to head deeper into the new universe, for EVERY reason.

So basically, until we built enough infrastructure to build the newspace ™ side of the gate, there might be a year or even two before ships and materials could cross between. We would create newspace ™ in our own image, and in unexpected ways.

And when we DO come back, macaper's prophecy comes true “the little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcome” for his new world is so much brighter!

I like it, and it takes pressure off CCP to deliver everything and balance the markets quickly, there would be a good year at least to play with and a lot of fun exploring in the meantime.
Very nice.

CCP Seagull, said she didn't want to give new space until they could make it great.

I think she is missing a trick and underestimating EVE players, let us in with a few basic tools, and half decent PVE and in two years we will give you an alive thriving space, that will be great, that you can open to the wider universe!

Ccp can also use it to throw some oddball ideas and curveballs, to see how we cope, and how we run with them, sort of a live sisi on steroids! That may never make it out into the wider game.

I promise you one thing, half of WH space, signal cartel, a big chunk of HS would be forming an orderly queue to get in for an opportunity like this. It will appeal to both alphas and omegas, and make it a real boost to alphas to upgrade, as there is a more level playing field, everyone in here with a pod, the same knowledge of the space and nothing else to start. And all will need to train the new ships classes. Or possibly the SOCT have been here before us?

F1 monkeys and revenant ratters, will be quite happy for others to develop it for them.

No, stop being dumb.

Yes, this ignores the normal jump mechanics. Special gates to get over in a pod, special gate that you have to BUILD (long time) to get a single ship back, one-shot deal, destroys the return gate in the process. With a special BPO that you can ONLY get this way.

Everyone who jumps over is basically dead, either they're going to get podded, self-destruct, or die in a fire once the place destabilizes after the last titan makes the suns go nova. Even offline people and people docked in citadels. Except for like 5-10 people, total, who make it back.

But you can ignore the entire thing, if you like. Wait for it to be over, then buy some copies of the blueprint after people bring it back and start copying it.

Or, people can wander over, and participate in a massive cluster-smash furball, where people will probably camp the belts pretty hard.

What, you expect me to set everything in stone so someone can find one little part that doesn't work, and then claim the entire idea is trash? Not my first rodeo, all of this stuff is purely theoretical spitballing, and so very subject to change and balancing.

No, you're not forced to do it. Why would that even be good design? Trying to shift too many unwilling people to a new area, without their ship stockpiles or easy access to trade hubs? Disaster waiting to happen. The point is not to pull everyone out of the existing areas.

Instead, it provides a bit of an arena, with rule changes. Maybe pirate/faction stuff WON'T be available there. Maybe it could just be T1 stuff from blueprints, and eventually T2 stuff, all built onsite, with erratic and obscene markups in price. I haven't even speculated on what NPCs should be available there. Or even IF there should be NPCs at all. WHAT IF there was no bounty payout system there?

People could go there for something new, or a group could go over with the aim of setting up PI and building a citadel and making money. Like that old saying about not prospecting for gold, but selling shovels to prospectors instead.

It's a new and erratic economy, that would start off hilariously unstable, and provide an opportunity for people to work together, kill each other, get rich, and waste money. A shot of controlled chaos, hopefully without poisoning the existing well and breaking everyone's stuff.

And if some ISK faucets were missing, the only source of ISK would be other players. If you run out, well, you can always self destruct your pod and go get ISK in known space, before jumping back in. It could also serve to drain the overall ISK pool inflation if the balance was different.

And a few lucky winners could take back some exotic BPO or something, perhaps with BPC consolation prizes to runners-up who managed to make it partway along the process of getting whatever shiny back. I don't know exactly, something shiny, or CCP ccould use the opportunity to introduce some new ship model they cook up.

Does the reward even matter? People would move mountains if they could get on a single guardian-vexor killmail. Motivating EVE players to show off their e-peens doesn't seem like much of a task to me.

Or maybe one faction gets really strong and manages to knock down any return gates that anyone else puts up, and sets themselves up out there?

Then it all blows up.

There are already other games that offer this sort of "building from the ground up" gameplay, and Eve doesn't need more space until we're reasonably fully utilizing the space we've already got.

A large part of the point of Eve is that you're connected to and a part of this persistent Universe. Not to be able to run off and cut yourself off from it.

Yes, the reward matters. Right now there is no reason whatsoever for any player or group to go over there. If you have no draw, you are not going to see your feature used. And if it is not going to be used, it is not worth dev time that could instead be spent on something useful.

Ah yes, because "Finding Lore Stuff" and "Curiosity" are why thousands of eve players log in each day. Spoiler alert: 99% of eve players don't give two ***** about the lore, and if they do, they simply google it and boom, all the lore information at their fingertips. People don't play this game because of the compelling lore or amazing exploration, they play because blowing up Internet Spaceships and getting rich is fun.

Let's try this again lol.

I am a wormholer. I like to get rich by running sleeper sites, and I like to fight other people with the ships that I buy with my isk. I took an empty system in wormhole space and put up structures and turned it into my home. How does this new space benefit me in any way? I cannot get new ships. I cannot get isk. I cannot fight other people with all my shiny ships because I cannot bring them through, and I have to abandon all the infrastructure that I spent hard time and isk putting up.

Hmm, it seems that I must completely abandon everything I have ever done or created up until this point in order to use this "new space". This seems like a bad idea! I will stay right where I am thank you very much.

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Care to make a counter point?

So stay. Run sleepers and buy any of the new stuff with that money. Why should every idea require everyone to use it? Not everyone runs wormholes. Not everyone runs invasions. Definitely not everyone mines. Some people avoid PVP if they can. Some people only PVP. Choices.

This is about offering another choice, of a new area where conflicts are not pre-decided by who brought the most shinies from Jita.

Then, the faction who wins brings back shinies, and everything else is removed. ISK changes hands in the meantime, and maybe sinks a little ISK out of the economy in the process.

This is exactly the problem. Here you're describing activities, not areas of space. People PVP in hisec, lowsec, nullsec and wormholes. People PVE in hisec, lowsec, nullsec, and wormholes. PVP and PVE in each area is unique, how are you going to differentiate the PVP and PVE in this new area to the point where it is actually something unique and attractive enough to consider?

The Hisec pilot who refuses to leave his "Safe" space will never go to your new, dangerous space, even if it's rewarding. The Lowsec pilot will never go to your space because he is attached to his turf, his friends, his enemies, his faction, and their eternal struggle. The nullsec pilot will never go to your new space simply because he has already everything he needs right where he is, and lord knows he can't drop his supers in newspace so that's another no. And the wormholers won't join you either for the reasons already stated.

So tell me then. Just who exactly do you expect to actually give a damn about this new space?



This just shows how little you know about the game. Fights are almost never decided by shinies, they're decided by hard counters. You can officer fit a Garmur, but you won't be able to even touch me if I am flying a 50 mil Keres. An officer fit Kronos can just sit and cry as it is neuted out by a T2 fit Bhaalgorn. More isk does not equal better and you should know that.



So you want to make a new choice that is not decided by shinies, but the winners bring back shinies? OK. So if, as you say, the winner brings back a Titan. Let's even assume that somehow, due to mechanics, it is IMPOSSIBLE for large null groups to game the system and win every time by sheer numbers(which is totally going to happen). Let's assume that this benefits the little guy, and Joe Schmoe from a random 10 man corp wins a Titan(which is somehow fully fit with fuel and refits and everything).

Now what?

He can't dock it. He can't jump it to a cyno because he only has one account. He can't kill people with it because he has no capital experience and no large alliance to back him up. He can't even move his goddamn ship more than two or three systems without dying horribly because there are dozens of Hunter Killer groups who exist solely to hunt down solo and abandoned Titan and Super pilots and kill them.

We're talking about people who set up login traps and wait for YEARS for Titan pilots to log in again so they can kill them. Do you really think Joe is going to stand a chance, with no experience or backup?

And don't tell me that null groups need easier access to titans. These dudes are now churning out dozens of the things every month, so even if Joe somehow survives anything and everything, then what? What's he going to use his new solo Titan for? If you suggest PVP, if you think that he won't immediately have 50 supers and titans dropped on him then you are delusional, and if you suggest PVE and you think nobody will find him and drop 50 titans on him then you are also delusional.

Again, counter point please? And a proper one. We don't NEED another area that will make current areas even less populated and empty. We need good content for current areas. I realize that you really want to play Minecraft in space but EVE is just not the game for that. Sorry.