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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2017-04-27 16:01:56 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
The really interesting question about the Jovian disease is: since they obviously knew that, why didn't they just revert the last few rounds of changes to get back to 'gonads' instead of 'stopnads'? Did they realy just all up and decide to emo-to-oblivion so hard they just couldn't muster the energy to undo their nonsense?


My guess would be that the genome editing got out of control, mistakes were made, too many concurrent branches of the 'working' genome copy were taken and then worked upon.

Even just coding for wetware MF's takes a huge amount of code control. I'd hate to try to manage that on genome editing.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#202 - 2017-04-27 16:40:32 UTC
Yeah, that's exactly why I find it so weird that none of them, across the entire race, maintained a 'Last Known Good' version archived someplace. Maybe even keep a few of the infomorphs of that iteration stored in an artificial constructed existence in case of a catastrophic...

. . .

Fudge. They did, didn't they? Oh, damn damn damn, that makes sense. We are so boned.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2017-04-27 16:45:54 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Yeah, that's exactly why I find it so weird that none of them, across the entire race, maintained a 'Last Known Good' version archived someplace. Maybe even keep a few of the infomorphs of that iteration stored in an artificial constructed existence in case of a catastrophic...

. . .

Fudge. They did, didn't they? Oh, damn damn damn, that makes sense. We are so boned.


If I am a part of someone's 'Last Known Good' construct I can assure you it is not we who are boned...
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#204 - 2017-04-27 17:06:21 UTC
Sounds like she probably means the Sleepers. Y'know, the ones Capsuleers have been harvesting for their shiny implants?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#205 - 2017-04-27 17:09:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
No, not us.

Imagine a population element the Jove had no societal need for at that point, but couldn't rule out needing in the future. like, say, an entire warrior-caste similar to the way the Empires use us.

Genetically, we're perfectly viable human stock. You keep that on record. When you get to a point where your society doesn't need immortal weapons, where we're more of a danger than an asset, you decommission us. You don't know what's going to happen in the future, so why destroy infomorphs with hundreds of years of combat experience dealing with all manner of emergent, chaotic, unpredictable crises. You might need that sort of thing in the future. So you archive that, too. You build a virtual environment, upload the infomorphs.

Then you store it someplace. Consider the discussions about kidnapping Napkins and 'storing' him in cryo. You don't want to have to worry about your violent superweapons getting loose and being pissed off, so the storage facilities need to be someplace remote. someplace isolated. And you need to make sure that a)they'll still be there when they're needed, but b)they won't get out before that. AND you need to ensure that if these things are needed, they'll be able to be useful, because you do not know what conditions will be, maybe your enlightened society's under attack and you need these things because you don't even remember HOW to make weapons.

So these storage systems are surrounded with massive constructs that keep anyone from getting a clue as to what's inside. And systems that can begin producing war materiel. AND systems that protect all those vital systems from all manner of exposure to the elements, and as you lump failsafe upon failsafe onto the design, it's so big that it's too big to be subtle or hidden on any dirtside construction.

So, stick 'em out in space it is. Well, then you need to worry about spacefarers you don't anticipate or have contact with. And you don't want to post big signs that say 'HEY! LIVING SUPERWEAPON CONTAINMENT FACILITY, BACK THE HEL OFF', right? So you put in place automated defenses to shoo people away. You also, because again: this may have to start up from scratch and now you're out in space include automatons that can go out and collect the one thing you can't store in serious bulk without getting to the point of building artificial ecosystems: biological matter to be reprocessed into amino acids and used to build the DNA sequences you need, and then flash-grown via cloning technology itno viable bodies for your warrior-infomorphs.

That explains the why that we haven't had in this puzzle. Why now? Why turn up after the collapse of Jove civilization and the exposure of the Observatories? Why get the data from the Observatories, then start attacking us? What are they doing that we're not seeing?

They're not making any distinction between us—between the capsuleer-saturated empires—and the Sansha Nation. They're a hedge on the bet of cooperating with 'normal' humans, and an emergency failsafe in the event of complete societal collapse. Which means they're likely rebuilding on a massive scale... we just can't find them.

Nai Arto wrote:
Sounds like she probably means the Sleepers. Y'know, the ones Capsuleers have been harvesting for their shiny implants?


No, those were just the automated 'BEWARE OF SUPERWEAPON' signs.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#206 - 2017-04-27 17:20:22 UTC
Heard worse theories. That said, they're a tad too incompetent and easily thwarted by us for that theory to be deserving of quite such dire language. We've proven superior to them already, so unless they're hiding a crapton of competence and brainpower for some later date, they don't fit the profile of 'experienced infomorphs/weapons stored for a rainy day' exactly.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#207 - 2017-04-27 17:30:25 UTC
Hard to say there, Miz. How rusty would you be after a few centuries in a computer being subjected to the 5,000,000,000 part lecture series 'Naupliusism and You: The Red God Doesn't Like You Very Much'?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#208 - 2017-04-27 18:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Arrendis wrote:
The really interesting question about the Jovian disease is: since they obviously knew that, why didn't they just revert the last few rounds of changes to get back to 'gonads' instead of 'stopnads'? Did they realy just all up and decide to emo-to-oblivion so hard they just couldn't muster the energy to undo their nonsense?


You're talking about an essential drive here, Arrendis. There are plenty of people who have a slightly remodelled version of a natural drive, you can't throw a bread roll in the Tyrin pilot ready room without hitting someone like that. Then there's Origin, which contains a number of pilots who have expanded on that remodelling to the extent that it becomes very confusing for a less reconstructed person.

The most transhuman of Origin's inhabitants, however, is far more similar to those of us with baseline urges than to the Jove. They haven't suppressed, redirected or alternatively harnessed their base notions they have completely excised them. There is nothing to build with, any more.

I was sequenced from an established genetic line in a lineage catalogue, engineered to a specification, batched in a steel tube, decanted and then raised as a creche clone of the Tube Child program. My wife was conceived from her parents, gestated naturally in a womb, born and then raised as a child. We are more or less identical compared to each other as opposed to a Jovian. Replacing all those natural words with artificial equivalents really means very little - because Suvee was still looking to make PEOPLE from the Tube Child program. The Jovians lost sight of what a person was - and it turns out that complex interactions of diverse genetic expressions lead to meta-characteristics which have occulted interactions not yielding readily to prediction using standard analytic techniques.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Oland Jan
Doomheim
#209 - 2017-04-28 00:29:56 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Oland Jan wrote:
Does she not get that he seems to be winning to some of us?


Did you not get the part where I pretty clearly said I'm amusing myself and don't give a damn about the opinions of more than maybe half a dozen people in this cluster? I mean, if you didn't, I'd be happy to explain exactly what I mean. At length.
Whatever turns your crank sister. But I have news you are the most praise needy person I have met so far.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#210 - 2017-04-28 00:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Oland Jan wrote:
you are the most praise needy person I have met so far.


Yup. That's totally me. Totally not just an unrepentant, smug-as-feck pedantic jackwagon, deeply amused with my own cleverness who enjoys the 'sound' of my own literary voice and has absolutely no problem acknowledging my many personality flaws. Couldn't possibly be that. Nope. You must be right.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#211 - 2017-04-28 00:53:48 UTC
Oland Jan wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Did you not get the part where I pretty clearly said I'm amusing myself and don't give a damn about the opinions of more than maybe half a dozen people in this cluster? I mean, if you didn't, I'd be happy to explain exactly what I mean. At length.
Whatever turns your crank sister. But I have news you are the most praise needy person I have met so far.

And here we'd moved on to something else..
Oland Jan
Doomheim
#212 - 2017-04-28 00:55:04 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Oland Jan wrote:
you are the most praise needy person I have met so far.


Yup. That's totally me. Totally not just an unrepentant, smug-as-feck pedantic jackwagon, deeply amused with my own cleverness who enjoys the 'sound' of my own literary voice and has absolutely no problem acknowledging my many personality flaws. Couldn't possibly be that. Nope. You must be right.
Well, I have been asked to hush by someone you don't like very much. But that could be anyone right. I didn't say I didn't like you. Well ok I don't. But maybe your not all bad.
Oland Jan
Doomheim
#213 - 2017-04-28 00:56:43 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Oland Jan wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Did you not get the part where I pretty clearly said I'm amusing myself and don't give a damn about the opinions of more than maybe half a dozen people in this cluster? I mean, if you didn't, I'd be happy to explain exactly what I mean. At length.
Whatever turns your crank sister. But I have news you are the most praise needy person I have met so far.

And here we'd moved on to something else..
Yes princess I forgot you get to set the rules. Ok I am done. Seriously.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#214 - 2017-04-28 01:07:28 UTC
Oland Jan wrote:
Well, I have been asked to hush by someone you don't like very much. But that could be anyone right. I didn't say I didn't like you. Well ok I don't. But maybe your not all bad.


Hey, man, do what y'gotta.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#215 - 2017-04-28 03:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Julianus Soter wrote:
New, from The Federal Frontier: The Soul and the Capsuleer, by Saint Michael's Soul. An essay on the Jovian Disease and how it relates to the Capsuleers.
It was a fascinating article and a matter I once gave considerable thought.

I am often concerned that I stopped being me, the me I used to be, a long while back. But I do my best still. My body is the same, I keep it age appropriate out of consideration for others. But still, it isn’t the same is it, I can feel it.

My wife once told me she appreciated it but, "when you have been lovers for as long as we have, you know your partner’s body like a familiar landscape. A scar from a mishap climbing for Uellaron blossoms, a burn from a campfire ember, a mark of passion… gone.”

What good can one suppose when you turn your own death into nothing more than a learning experience.
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#216 - 2017-04-28 09:09:18 UTC
Arrendis wrote:


Yup. That's totally me. Totally not just an unrepentant, smug-as-feck pedantic jackwagon, deeply amused with my own cleverness who enjoys the 'sound' of my own literary voice and has absolutely no problem acknowledging my many personality flaws. Couldn't possibly be that. Nope. You must be right.


I want to hear the sound of your prolix voice chanting your pedantic dissection of the texts exposed here being wispered right at my ear while i give you an extra hand to amuse yourself.

Now

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#217 - 2017-04-28 13:14:26 UTC
I haven't been reading the IGS much this week.

Who's currently winning in this thread ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#218 - 2017-04-28 13:22:05 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Who's currently winning in this thread ?


Gonna go with 'The Federal Frontier', since we're keeping the thread about their site nice and visible. No such thing as bad press, right?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#219 - 2017-04-28 14:13:04 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Arrendis wrote:


Yup. That's totally me. Totally not just an unrepentant, smug-as-feck pedantic jackwagon, deeply amused with my own cleverness who enjoys the 'sound' of my own literary voice and has absolutely no problem acknowledging my many personality flaws. Couldn't possibly be that. Nope. You must be right.


I want to hear the sound of your prolix voice chanting your pedantic dissection of the texts exposed here being wispered right at my ear while i give you an extra hand to amuse yourself.

Now


Okay, I feel like someone needs to give you the talk that we used to give Marines coming onto shore leave. If you tell me where you are, I'll contact station security and get you a list of all the reputable houses of negotiable affection. You obviously need some relief.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#220 - 2017-04-28 14:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Namas.

Ok, I gave up on finding an apology for, or something wise to be said in defense of, the journalistic faux-pas when I reached post #31, where M. Galente appears to say "Shut up with your valid criticisms, you are not the target audience."

Who is the target audience? Likely not be the Gallente Feds.
The reasons I agree with the criticism likely has a lot to do with the fact that I am a Gallente and a Federal citizen.
Although...maybe the target audience is the Hawks?

Anyway, this news site has crossed the frontier. I think it will be hard restoring a reputation damaged so severely so soon.
...the site's reputation, not Soter's, although it may be partly true for both.

Peace,

-Ché Biko