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Arrendis
TK Corp
#141 - 2017-04-26 16:00:18 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Careful, I suggested that and look what happened.


That suggests you know what happened. We all know that's impossible, though, because it would've required reading, which you don't do.
Oland Jan
Doomheim
#142 - 2017-04-26 16:17:09 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Careful, I suggested that and look what happened.


That suggests you know what happened. We all know that's impossible, though, because it would've required reading, which you don't do.
Careful Jimmy, she has responded to nearly every post you have made. She might be after your sock-puppet?
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2017-04-26 16:40:01 UTC
I have a name, you know.

I had no idea that the IGS was so obsessed with ventriloquism. My only guess is that it is another symptom of tragic space dementia, making so many all paranoid and crotchety.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#144 - 2017-04-26 16:42:30 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Well, I will admit I am not sure what a ‘sock-puppet’ is exactly.


A "sock-puppet" is a persona, real or fabricated, that is being somehow puppeteered by another, whether directly or by more indirect means (such as obligation or profound loyalty). Mika Firestorm and Luna Hanaya are often accused of being "sock-puppets" to Diana Kim because despite their different backgrounds they tend to pop up in arguments to lend her support and rhetorical cover. If you talk to them separately, they're rather different people. Neither of the other two shares Ms. Kim's frailty, but both will leap to her defense when she's in a rage, so the distinction doesn't really make much difference. The tendency to act as a single unit, closing ranks against, basically, anybody gives them a reputation as, functionally, a single person with three heads.

Aside from agreeing with you about even stuff he has no clear reason to, Mr. Arto also shares some of your language and rhetorical habits. He's even lazy in the same ways. That might just be personal affinity of some kind, but it makes the claim that he's a "sock-puppet" at least plausible.
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2017-04-26 16:54:40 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:


Mr. Arto also shares some of your language and rhetorical habits. He's even lazy in the same ways.



See what I mean about paranoid and crotchety? Also, when did I stop being Soter?

Simple. Media. Observer. It's very different from humble trader.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#146 - 2017-04-26 17:07:26 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
See what I mean about paranoid and crotchety? Also, when did I stop being Soter?

Simple. Media. Observer. It's very different from humble trader.


I thought you might be with Mr. Soter for a bit, but your rhetorical and language habits are more like Mr. Syagrius. And, actually, it's the repeated self-description as a "simple media observer" that provides one of the links to him.

Mr. Syagrius virtually always describes himself as a "humble trader," when asked, and has done for as long as I've known him, even when threatening Dire Consequences. It's kind of a tag line, even.

On its face, "simple media observer" follows a different pattern, if only slightly-- minimizing adjective, clarifying adjective, noun, instead of minimizing adjective, noun. Only, "observer" by itself says nothing much without the "media," so the two really ought to be taken as a structural unit. Really, we still have exactly the same pattern-- minimizing adjective, noun-- which you, too, use semi-continuously as a kind of shield.

Just like he does.

Even the obviousness of the mask is the same, though you might be winking less about it.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#147 - 2017-04-26 17:15:21 UTC
And the occasional ellipses and other habits of speech, in addition to the rapidity and posting hours.

But anyway.

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Tarek Raimo
Eleutherian Guard
#148 - 2017-04-26 17:17:11 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:


Also, when did I stop being Soter?



You were accused of that? That's amusing.

One thing I am sure of: Julianus Soter is not the sort of person who would need others to stoke controversy on his behalf. Blink
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#149 - 2017-04-26 17:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Nai Arto wrote:
See what I mean about paranoid and crotchety? Also, when did I stop being Soter?

Simple. Media. Observer. It's very different from humble trader.


I thought you might be with Mr. Soter for a bit, but your rhetorical and language habits are more like Mr. Syagrius. And, actually, it's the repeated self-description as a "simple media observer" that provides one of the links to him.

Mr. Syagrius virtually always describes himself as a "humble trader," when asked, and has done for as long as I've known him, even when threatening Dire Consequences. It's kind of a tag line, even.

On its face, "simple media observer" follows a different pattern, if only slightly-- minimizing adjective, clarifying adjective, noun, instead of minimizing adjective, noun. Only, "observer" by itself says nothing much without the "media," so the two really ought to be taken as a structural unit. Really, we still have exactly the same pattern-- minimizing adjective, noun-- which you, too, use semi-continuously as a kind of shield.

Just like he does.

Even the obviousness of the mask is the same, though you might be winking less about it.


Miss Jenneth,

I respect your analysis always.

But this Simple Blonde thinks you are just reading too much into things!

Mr. Sygagrius may be many things besides being a humble trader. A crochety True Amarr, sadly, is not likely to be one of them.

Although I do wonder where Mr. Arto has been the last six years?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#150 - 2017-04-26 17:28:55 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
I had no idea that the IGS was so obsessed with ventriloquism. My only guess is that it is another symptom of tragic space dementia, making so many all paranoid and crotchety.


Tsk. Paranoia isn't space dementia. It's simply a survival trait. Everyone around you is looking to kill you, some of them just haven't been offered enough money yet.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#151 - 2017-04-26 17:31:51 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Although I do wonder where Mr. Arto has been the last six years?


Studying the numerous concepts of "Angelic beings" in traditional Amarr beliefs that he refuses to ennumerate.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#152 - 2017-04-26 17:32:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Nai Arto wrote:
See what I mean about paranoid and crotchety? Also, when did I stop being Soter?

Simple. Media. Observer. It's very different from humble trader.


I thought you might be with Mr. Soter for a bit, but your rhetorical and language habits are more like Mr. Syagrius. And, actually, it's the repeated self-description as a "simple media observer" that provides one of the links to him.

Mr. Syagrius virtually always describes himself as a "humble trader," when asked, and has done for as long as I've known him, even when threatening Dire Consequences. It's kind of a tag line, even.

On its face, "simple media observer" follows a different pattern, if only slightly-- minimizing adjective, clarifying adjective, noun, instead of minimizing adjective, noun. Only, "observer" by itself says nothing much without the "media," so the two really ought to be taken as a structural unit. Really, we still have exactly the same pattern-- minimizing adjective, noun-- which you, too, use semi-continuously as a kind of shield.

Just like he does.

Even the obviousness of the mask is the same, though you might be winking less about it.


Miss Jenneth,

I respect your analysis always.

But this Simple Blonde thinks you are just reading too much into things!

Mr. Sygagrius may be many things besides being a humble trader. A crochety True Amarr, sadly, is not likely to be one of them.

Although I do wonder where Mr. Arto has been the last six years?


That's one of the other things that has me suspicious, Praefecta. He's been a member of the Royal Amarr Institute for years, and yet the first we hear of him is him stepping in to object to Ms. Priano objecting to Mr. Soter's egotism. That is, he's an Amarr siding with a Gallentean against a Caldari on a subject (arguable hypocrisy) that's about as common on this forum as, um.

As words are, actually.

He chooses this particular moment, this particular argument, to make himself heard, pro-Gallente, arguably pro-Amarr if only by dint of being one and employed by an Amarrian corporation, anti-Caldari. There's someone we know whose politics that tracks really well.

He's just a humble trader, though....
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#153 - 2017-04-26 17:42:43 UTC
Almost eight full pages later and there's still this much time and effort spent on this. Feathers have well and truly been ruffled here.
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2017-04-26 17:48:49 UTC
Media observer.

Listen, I know that it is strange and frightening when someone new interrupts the echo chamber around here, but you are quite far off the mark.

I do wonder why it is so strange to you that a high profile media darling would attract criticism in a media related topic like this one. Galactic politics is of little interest to me. Ethics in media analysis is.

It is pure fantasy to impart a political agenda (whether pro-Gallente, or anti-Caldari) simply because I criticize the conduct of individual Capsuleers. Anyway, personal agenda would make more sense.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#155 - 2017-04-26 17:51:09 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Almost eight full pages later and there's still this much time and effort spent on this. Feathers have well and truly been ruffled here.


Like Arrendis, I don't really need my feathers ruffled to have a lot to say, Miz. My reasons are maybe a little different from hers, but, it's definitely fun for me, too.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#156 - 2017-04-26 18:03:23 UTC
It's not just that a lot is being said, but the things being said and what/who it's being said to and about. Of course I could be wrong but there's just so much smoke for there not to be a fire somewhere.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#157 - 2017-04-26 18:07:24 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
Media observer.

Listen, I know that it is strange and frightening when someone new interrupts the echo chamber around here, but you are quite far off the mark.

I do wonder why it is so strange to you that a high profile media darling would attract criticism in a media related topic like this one. Galactic politics is of little interest to me. Ethics in media analysis is.

It is pure fantasy to impart a political agenda (whether pro-Gallente, or anti-Caldari) simply because I criticize the conduct of individual Capsuleers. Anyway, personal agenda would make more sense.


Imputation of emotional motives for reasoning. Contemptuous dismissal of that reasoning on a basis that would be mostly obvious to the speaker, if true, but is treated as though it should be obvious to everyone.

You're not helping your case very much, pilot. Though admittedly there are other people who use similar tactics.

A savvy media observer such as yourself would surely be aware: this whole topic, everything to do with The Federal Frontier, is politically fraught. It's a highly partisan piece of work, being presented in a public setting. The stated intent might be "transparency," but the net effect is hard to distinguish from propaganda. You cannot credibly step in on one side of it and claim neutrality unless your neutrality's already really well established.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#158 - 2017-04-26 18:26:02 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
It's not just that a lot is being said, but the things being said and what/who it's being said to and about. Of course I could be wrong but there's just so much smoke for there not to be a fire somewhere.


People keep using this "smoke and fire" analogy. Usually I think it's used when you're trying to track down corrupt officials or something.

Here ... uh. What are you trying to track down, exactly, Miz? That Makoto Priano has an ego? ... I think she admitted as much a page or two back.

That I have an ego? ... Sure. Probably. Yeah.

Both of us seem to kind of wrestle with our pride. A little bit of my pride, and I'd guess likely hers, comes from the fact that I do actually wrestle with it. Ego often seems to be nearly as standard equipment for a capsuleer as ships are. So is arguable hypocrisy-- mass killers expressing outrage over a few thousand dead crew, for example.

What do you think you'll find here at the source of all this smoke? Hurt feelings? Political tension? A personal grudge?

Does anybody doubt that any or all of those might be a little bit in play?

People are people. Motives are typically at least a little mixed. Ms. Priano's probably not sorry to have seen a clear shot at maybe wounding Soter in however small a way. Neither actually was I; in the minimal contact I've had with him, he's been pretty uniformly awful to me.

Your fire might basically boil down to a couple of apes taking an opportunity to try to douse a third they don't especially like with accelerant and set him alight, metaphorically speaking.

That doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't deserve it. It doesn't mean that at all.
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2017-04-26 18:41:04 UTC
Fascinating. Perhaps you should have started there instead of the overwrought and oh so noble concern trolling on behalf of koyonoke plague victims.

The misuse of "Overshadows" in headline was obviously an amateur mistake, and deserved to be criticized as such. Instead you let your now admitted personal animus run amok.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#160 - 2017-04-26 18:45:12 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
He's just a humble trader, though....
Well I am glad we can all agree on that at least.

As to Mr. Artos ‘loyalties’, I cannot say. I won’t deny any association with him as there is no profit in it and it would be wasted effort considering the obvious proclivities of your personality.

I am sure you believed with equal vigor he was someone else, before you categorically believed he was me.

No offence Mr. Artos… I can understand how being me would be appealing to most. I do like how you counter succinctly and with wit others wordy expositions on self-correctness.

Crotchety though he be, I like him better than most already.