EVE General Discussion

OMG, do some research before you post again. Notice #3, #4 and #7


When that and other warnings were posted in the forums, only 1 system in the Level 1 SoE Epic Arc had been added to the list of 'Protected' Starter Systems and Career Agent Systems. Since then 10 more systems in the Level 1 SoE Epic Arc have been added to that list and if the issue continues, even more systems will be added.

CCP's Official page about 'Rookie Griefing' :



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Isn't that typical. The efforts to study the issue by the company that makes the game (ie the people who have a REAL FINANCIAL STAKE in figuring out why people stop playing the game they make), told to us by an employee of the company whose salary depends on people paying for the game, is somehow "propaganda"...

..But "i know some dudes that quit because of suicide ganking" (aka "Anecdotal Evidence" aka "no evidence at all") is somehow more than enough proof that this poster needs.

It's literally a display of what's actually wrong with Humanity. People like this will ignore facts and evidence and instead see things the way they want to.

This is a fact:

This is a direct refutation of the foolish idea that 'griefing' meaning suicide ganking and other things makes people leave. it's black and white.

And yet their dislike of a thing is so strong that an Old guy in robes with a long beard and a penchant for magically drowning ancient Egyptians could come off a mountain with stone tablets upon the which the words "Thou SHALL gank people, for that's how Thou keep people play EVE Online-ith" are seared into it and they still wouldn't believe it.

Well, people like this are going to have to dislike it. If CCP thought something was costing them money they'd have killed it a decade ago. Their internal metrics prove to them it's not, so it's all good. If one doesn't like it, one can go play any of the hundreds of carebear games that don't allow it.

How is that more than likely? They voice their opinions daily on the forums. They seam to be very vocal, so to even suggest that this somehow completely changes when they quit the game and they have the opportunity to tell CCP why shows how biased or delusional you are.

To invoke the "silent majority" and pretend they somehow magically refute an argument is complete bs and has nothing to do with a honest discussion.


You try really hard to make this look like there is actually an issue. The cited page clearly states this is inteded for new players in starter systems. Player older than 30 days in those starter systems are not protected. No players outside those systems are protected. Obviously the rule is to protect new players who are learning the basics and how to navigate around. It is not intended to protect you in your first 30 days while you can do whatever you want.

There is no reason to think that those 5 new systems are because of ganking. They most likely reason would be that they are related to the changes in the NPE.



No one tried to validate suicide ganking and it is not propaganda, but an attempt to check if the whole tears you people shed about players quitting because their space ship exploded is actually true. Turn out it was not and you are all just lying to change the game in your favour and not because of the new players or some poor vets who could not handle a ship loss.

That's the heart of it all isn't it. Some people can't be objective, which means they can't see how something they don't like is beneficial and even necessary.

You know I'm not a fan of several things people do in game, like suicide ganking and cloaky camping just to name two. I get no joy from suicide ganking (that I've done exactly once because it was a corp activity one weekend) and I've never left a ship cloaked in someone elses system while I slept (not that it's not a legitimate tactic, i just can't be arsed lol).

But I get how those things are vital for the game. The cloaky camper is damping some of the raw isk and materials coming out of null (which is good for prices), as well as giving some of us something to fight/prepare against (this still works). I take PRIDE in my ability to keep on ratting with a cloaker in system, so what I had to reship and make lower ticks, I'm still making isk while that camper is powerless to stop me unless he wants to bring a blinged out ship with enough faction scrams to hold me down.

Likewise, the suicide gankers present that "unknown danger" in high sec that keeps smart people on their toes while punishing stupid people for being oblivious even though the game gives you copious tools to protect yourself. And getting suicide ganked can make someone angry, and anger is a great motivator in a game like this. ANY strong emotion ties a player more closely to the game.

I've come to believe that the best sign of intelligence someone can display is the ability to see things beyond their own narrow set of preferences.

I once was ganked and lost a T1 Industrial and several hundred million ISK.
At first I was upset, but shook it off because I came to realize it was my own fault.

It taught me a lesson, it made me look deeper into the game mechanics and what I could do to protect myself. It gave me something to do, something to strive for. So in reality, I am thankful to the gankers for motivating me to do better
The ISK I lost has since been replaced (and then some)

I havent been ganked since. Doesn't mean it cant, or wont happen. But the chances of it happening are much lower now, since I don't fly around in a poorly tanked T1, with way too much cargo and without any intel

Asking for game changes isn't the way to go. Asking advice on protecting yourself however, is.

It's what makes this game so appealling!
It isnt some continuous grind-fest without any risk. You never know what other players will do, and you have to outsmart them. At the end of the day, I can find some satisfaction in the fact I can still thrive and contribute to the game.

I am thinking this thread would be a lot nicer if everyone took a deep breath and considered the things written without attributing malice where there is no evidence.

That said...



It's not a propoganda video, it's a Fanfest presentation. It's transparency on CCP's part, they're sharing the data they have.

You are also, still and again, assuming that people are leaving because High Sec is not a perfectly safe PvE playground. You have zero proof of this, please stop leaping to erroneous and unsupported conclusions.



People leave MMOs all the time. Generally it's out of boredom or being grabbed by other interests, not because the world is too dangerous.

I'm really wondering what motivation you think CCP have for this. Like, do you think they hate money or something?

If CCP had convincing data saying "we should change this" they would change it.

If they had data saying "this is a problem" they would do something about the problem. They don't.

Again, you have literally no proof of your assertions here. You're pulling conclusions out of your rectal cavity and asking everyone to ignore the smell and take them as fact, which is just ridiculous.



Sorry, didn't see this somehow.

Yes, the dev was posting something based on old content, but the fact that a dev was saying it (and that other devs have said similar things repeatedly over the years) means that's what CCP thinks of the game and the state it should be in.

It's possible Eve would be a more generally popular game if it was less punishing and if High Sec was "safe" as opposed to "safer". I find that somewhat unlikely though, and the only way to find out is to introduce a change that is almost guaranteed to drive off a large portion of the existing player-base.

This is a player base that has been loyal for years, and is heavily invested in the game as it exists right now. Messing with this in any substantial way is not a good idea, and especially not in the kind of sudden changes OP is ranting about.

Ever heard of Star Wars Galaxies? That is literally the case study for why massive shifts in your game's core gameplay are a *terrible* idea no matter how justified you may feel in the changes in question. If you actually look at a lot of what was changed there it made a lot of sense. It was going to do exactly the sort of things you're talking about here. Open up the game to more players, make it more accessible, address a lot of things that may have been seen as a barrier to a new player, ect.

It utterly killed the game and was a contributing factor in the dev behind the change's suicide.

So yeah, I feel pretty confident in saying that this kind of "lets massively change our core gameplay to appeal to a new demographic" line of thinking is a terrible idea and acting on it has a better chance of turning "Eve is dying" into "No really literally dying" than anything else CCP can do to the game while keeping it running.

Read the second point on the list you quoted Doofus.

Jeez. Can't even read what you are quoting.

However, if you are somehow trying to claim that new players can leave starter systems and instantly be in the epic arc systems that are also protected, then outline exactly how.

Otherwise re read what I wrote and understand how stupid you are.

Bullshit.

That is not stated anywhere. Doofus #2