Intergalactic Summit

The important distinction between a person whose dedication to seeking and understanding the truth is to be admired, and someone who is 'pure of heart' is that one thing speaks to a specific aspect of a person, making no claims about the totality of their worthiness or the totality of their intents and motivations. Generally speaking, people described as 'pure of heart' tend to be relatively humble, unassuming individuals. For all her laudable traits—and she does have them—Makoto Priano is not pure of heart. She is not humble and unassuming. She is, in fact, a proud individual.

Some will say her pride is justified, some will say it's not. But anyone who tells you Makoto Priano is not a proud woman who digs in her heels and get her back up when challenged—ie: decidedly not 'unassuming'. She may at times be self-effacing and modest... but there is a difference between modesty and humility. If you need that difference explained, then I suggest consulting the kind of dictionary that provides enough information as to convey context and nuance.



Speaking as someone who has never studied the Amarr faith, I would have to say that as those conceptions have been presented to me, 'angelic beings' such as Sefrim were messengers, or bearers of divine truth and revelation to the faithful, not seekers of it. Because, you know, the being of God's Will made manifest, handing Truth to man... doesn't really need to look for it. They've already got it. And they're dispensing it. So... kind of exactly the opposite. But again, I don't study the Amarr faith, so I'll defer that distinction to someone like Alizabeth, if she's reading the thread.



I do avoid it. Maybe you should start doing so as well. Also, you might want to consider avoiding getting into arguments over semantics with a pedant who will literally argue with you for multiple weeks over the specific contextual definition of a single word, and enjoy every minute of it.

And if you think for even a moment that I'm exaggerating or being hyperbolic with that statement, feel free to ask Makoto. She's been on the receiving end of it.

I'm impressed that you've faulted me for participation in an argument over semantics that you started!

Suffice to say, your interpretation of my statement depends much on limiting the meaning of my words to what you choose for them. For instance, I allude to "numerous" concepts of Angelic beings... and you limit your analysis to one that fits your position.

We could no doubt go on and on with new interpretations contrary to my intent produced at every turn.

However, I do very much appreciate your digression on the character and motivations of Ms. Priano, as it was the irony of her criticism of Mr. Soter's pridefulness that brought me into this discussion to begin with.

Likewise, Ms. Jenneth, I appreciate contextualizing of your previous praise as well.

Perhaps now the discussion can return to the content of the article in question? Maybe we could get really wild and actually discuss that Caldari-Gallente reunification one instead of sniping personal attacks?

What a strange concept for "moving on" you have, that it takes you back to the original dispute.

Oh, no, I don't fault you for participating. I'm advising you against persisting, since you're actually pretty bad at this.



See, this is what I mean by 'bad at this'. You allude to 'numerous' concepts, but don't actually cite or enumerate what those concepts are. Then, when I admit that I haven't studied the subject, and can only judge based on the information I have, you attempt to claim that actually telling you what that information is is somehow dishonest or disingenuous.

So: what are the other numerous concepts. Please provide citations and sourcing.



Please, do so. However, as you do, also keep in mind that as of my last neural scan, I'm not a telepath. So far as I know, neither are you, nor is anyone else here. In communication between non-telepaths, the person making the statement—the speaker, writer, etc—is the one who knows what the concept or interpretation they are attempting to convey is. The person receiving the communication—the listener, the reader—has no way to know what the concept is, except for the words chosen by person communicating.

As a result, the burden is on the writer to be clear. If the writer is not clear, the reader cannot provide additional clarity. So, if you want to complain about 'interpretations contrary to [your] intent', I'm more than happy to listen to your objections, but I remind you that had you been clearer, the misinterpretation wouldn't have been possible.

Unless, of course, you're just trying to make it seem like you didn't just change your point in later posts, like how you initially described Aria's position as claiming Makoto was pure, not pure of heart, which are, after all, rather different descriptors.



Makoto's never claimed not to be downright arrogant, on occassion. Someone willing to be honest about their own flaws isn't ironic in pointing out someone else falling into the same trap while loudly yelling 'NO I'M NOT!' That's not irony, any more than it's ironic for me to point out that you're getting into a pointless semantic argument. It's kinda sorta something I know a lot about. Being a little full of oneself is something Makoto knows something about, and is well-positioned to recognize. Consider it... expert testimony.

Also, for the record, before you get any false impressions here: yes, I'm also rather arrogant. Of the three of us, I'd say I'm probably significantly more arrogant than either of the others, though that may simply be my arrogance not wanting to come in second to anyone else's.



Eh, the content of the articles is mostly utter claptrap, especially the 'reunification' piece that completely overlooks the fact that the Caldari people don't want 'reunification' in its eagerness to act like saying 'we should forgive the Caldari and give them another chance' is somehow doing the State a favor.

The articles are heavily biased agitprop, nothing more. But they don't pretend to be anything else.

Oh, I'm perfectly fine not persisting. You've apparently mistaken being "good at this" for being able to bore your opponents into submission.

Consider me sufficiently bored for you to declare victory!

See what I mean about being bad at this? Now you've let me know that this bothers you, and you give up easily. See, I'm not just an arrogant, pedantic jerk. I'm an arrogant, pedantic Goon. And you've just given me a line on an entertaining victim to keep poking at.

Edit to add: if you're wondering: I know it bothers you because you felt the need to make sure to tell me you weren't giving up because you didn't have an effective response, but because you were just bored. That's kind of transparent. The actual bored response would be along the lines of rolling your eyes, muttering 'whatever' to yourself, and not replying at all.

Incidentally, that would have been the correct move there—not replying at all—as it would have given no signals to anyone. But you needed to get in the last word, to try to get a dig in with the 'boring' routine. That demonstrates that you were, indeed, a bit stung. And now, because you couldn't just walk away before, you're in the position of having had it be pointed out. This means you can either attempt to get in the last word again—which will only further demonstrate the bleeding—or you can maintain sullen silence, which will indeed be read as sullen silence. By comparison, even with this explanatory addition, I just wind up looking like an arrogant, pedantic jerk... which is something that I fully admit to being, and so it costs me nothing.

Alright-- this meeting's covered the obvious points, so here I am, hand terminal below the table, asking:

So, what did you come here for, totally-not-a-Syagrius-sock-puppet?

Now who's skimming their reading?



As I said before, I'm a simple media observer. You've had more press in recent years than any individual Capsuleer I can think of since the days of Verone. That you would criticize someone for "seeking attention" is a tad ridiculous.

Now, to be clear... that doesn't mean you're wrong that this "Federation Frontier" publication is seeking attention. It seems to me that the duty of any CEO is to be conscious of publicity. You've made that a virtue for yourself and your organization, which has no doubt benefited greatly from the high profile.

It seems strange that you refuse to recognize it as a virtue in others. As Ms. Del'Thuul remarked earlier, it seems something is going on here ego wise. Who can say for sure, but if there's no fire why are you putting off so much smoke?

I appreciate your inquisitive mind but if one chases mysteries in the depths of space for too long, it is probably inevitable that eventually a tendency sets in where one sees patterns even when there are none.

I would like to point out that we encountered generally at your own information centre and the inquest hall. Incidentally both locations attracted many capsuleers who were actively interested in the proceedings. It so happens that both Bataav and myself were among them. It would appear only natural that you would often see us at the same time considering those circumstances.

As for the implications I quoted, I did maybe misunderstand, and it might have been a ruse to get me diverted. Whatever it may have been i didn't give it credence anyway as I said. What was said was pure conjecture between the both of us.

Careful, I suggested that and look what happened.