Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They already receive a 15 minute timeout. You can't board a ship in space or undock in a ship while criminal.

If you do, you are CONCORDEd again. You have to wait for the crime watch flag to expire, which is 15 minutes.

Losing a pod would be nothing. No implants, instadock again. Means nothing.

Whenever a flashy red pilot enters HS the flashing should be accompanied by a loud piercing beep beep beep. That way players that could care less about flashy red characters would now be annoyed..... dare I say angered at their presence. All of New Eden would quickly come to HATE flashy beepy characters and hunt them to extinction. The flashy beepy player would also have to listen to his constant beeping and come to HATE himself even more than he currently does. Those not hunted to extinction would quit due to a deep sense of self loathing.

Beeping would be a simple coding addition to the game requiring minimal effort by the dev team to incorporate.


The beeping would be produced by the motherboard itself (as happens with motherboard faults) and could not be muted in any way shape or form.

Ganking is easy with no consequences?

I urge anyone who really believes that to try to pull off twenty pod ganks. I doubt they'd be able to succeed in half.

Ganking requires logistics beyond standard high sec play: warp-ins, scan alts, and stocking of equipment. Ganks don't happen by chance, they're deliberate and focused.

Ganking either requires luck or a lot of scouts because you are an easy target. Anti-gankers, KB whoring mercs, and randoms can and do shoot at you all the time. It only takes an Alpha ECM frigate to stop 1 to 3 gankers in destroyers.

The ganker is effectively neutered from all other high sec play. The SP is stuck on that character. Yeah, you can buy tags, but then you'll still likely have a ton of killrights against you for the next month. The only other pilot in the entire game with the same level of restrictions is a pod-killing low sec pirate.

The gankers that "make it look easy" are experts or FC'd by expects of the playstyle. It still takes considerable effort to succeed, much more than running missions or freighter hauling (all three which I've done extensively in my Eve career).

Most importantly, it takes little effort to become an unattractive gank target.

So little that I do not understand how a player can be in a universe filled with other people and either 1) not know ganking exists by the time they can pilot a freighter, or 2) are unwilling to do anything to protect their one billion+ ISK investment.

Nonsense. They risk not finding targets. If you get ganked in HiSec, you are willfully negligent - 99.99% of losses in hisec are preventable with even a casual interest in one's own safety. Players could collectively make ganking a zero reward activity with a modest amount of effort, but choose not to. The way you beat the gankers is by not being ganked and wasting their time.

Ooh look another hisec dweller whining about game mechanics.

So, business as usual for you


Citation please

This thread isn't about freighter ganking specifically even though you try to make it about it. It's about meaningful consequences for gankers in general or the lack thereof.

Which, yet again, has nothing to do with what this thread is about.

Let me quote the relevant part of the OP again as you seem to have trouble finding it:

Indeed. CCP has spent a lot of time building CrimeWatch to allow criminals and potential marks, and criminals and vigilantes to interact in highsec. CONCORD provides a cost/financial disincentive to wanton aggression and is balanced such that "normal" ships doing normal things are unprofitable targets for a pirate as the game is intended to work. Players have options though, and some ships, like a Covetor are much more squishy but come with income benefits, while some ships, like tanked DSTs or Skiffs are so tough to crack you have to have to provided a large amount of motivation to get someone to pay the hundreds of millions of ISK in ships it costs to try to explode it.

I don't see an issue here. Criminals/pirates are an intended part of the game, and there is a wide range of choice for players of ships, almost all of them are unprofitable, some very unprofitable, to shoot in highsec making it impossible to pirate profitably unless a player makes a mistake or intentionally chooses to undock with too much value in their ship, either fit or as cargo. I don't see why this is an issue, or why CCP should try to keep criminals and non-criminals apart in a game built on player interaction, and where the players are suppose to serve as the primary source of risk for imprudence or intentionally risky choices.

Sure, I am confident the game can be improved and more opportunity for play and counter play created between the various players in the criminal highsec dance, but the ideas in the OP don't do that. The bottom line is that criminals are suppose to exist, you are intended to be at risk to them, and they are made at risk to everyone else. Any idea to change the criminal game better keep all of these ideas in mind when proposing a change, and ideas for changes citing the reason that it is a problem to repeatedly commit criminal acts in highsec misses the fundamental basis of the game design.

Wait -10s live in LS so that is why he mentioned suicide ganking? Most HS suicide gankers have very low sec status and they either live in NS or HS.

A -10 living in LS is not a ganker. He is a pirate.

A -10 player cannot move around as easily as a player with a higher sec status.

Maybe he has every right to discuss it, but we have a right to rebut his statements...of course he is kind of a ***** whining about how people won't agree with him.