EVE General Discussion

simple answer: Loss of ingame assets =/= griefing. Humiliating/constant insulting/generally ruining someone's life over internet == griefing.

your opinion is objectively wrong

Don't take him seriously. You just stat motivated and ignore the haters.

You should hang This up on the wall of your Barge for inspiration.

See all the Hulk Kills on your killboard stats and bang instant motivation.

Do Miners have a different way to be motivated?

Big numbers.

Well, the way I understand Hulkageddon, it kills alot of botting barges. Sure actual players get ganked too, but if your aware of Hulkageddon and mine anyway, you deserve to be ganked.

I am all for popping botters and so on.....
But..
Ganking a two months old noobs first retriver...

Please hurry up and announce the next Hulkageddon. And let me know the hotspots!

There is no incentive for me to dust off my old Hulk for a spot of mining. Mining is a complete waste of time in itself.

But if I've a decent chance of collecting some hilarious killmails from failed suicide gankers, I'm in!

@OP

The definition of griefing appears to have changed since the last time the EULA was updated (which was how long ago?). Today's current understanding of griefing, at least from what I have gathered during the 3+ years I have been around and from what a few GMs have mentioned in the past, is this:

Griefing: verb - the act of constantly harassing a player in Eve Online, especially the same player, for long periods of time for the sole purpose of making them emotionally distressed to the point in which the player could quit the game altogether. The griefer gains nothing in return from this act.

Hulkageddon is not griefing because it is a public event that is announced ahead of time (sometimes more than a month ahead of time) so that potential victims can prepare. Awards are also given to the best gankers and these awards can help subsidize the expense of ganking. If the potential victim ignores the warnings (large spike in local in an isolated system, gank warning posted on local chat, warnings posted on npc corp chats, the fact that you just saw a mining ship next to you explode, etc.) then that potential victim is now an actual victim.

Hulkageddon is also used to manipulate the regional mineral markets by destroying the primary source of the minerals entering the market (miners). With less minerals entering the market and with demand for gank-capable ships rising, the mineral prices will somewhat rise just high enough to potentially attract more miners to take advantage of the price hike. More miners = more targets. Of course, there has been no substantial evidence that Hulkadeggon helped increase the prices significantly, so I'm just speculating here.

Even if Hulkageddon is over or hasn't started yet, suicide ganking may not count as griefing if it is only used for the following reasons:

1. Claim an asteroid or ice belt to yourself by forcing the competing miners to move to another system or belt.

2. Trying to manipulate or corner the local or regional market through ganking. In this case, some miners will be spared if the ganker(s) is selective enough.

3. If the ganker is only after that faction module you have fitted. Experienced miners who have survived ganks before have learned to never, NEVER fit faction mods on their barge/exhumer. It will just attract gankers looking for faction drops in your wrecked ship. These drops are then sold on the market for ISK.