EVE General Discussion

PvE content will adapt too? I brought Rattle and Domi for some DEDs in sansha lowsec once. It was hard to do DED 6 with them. Not to mention the risk in first place to take BS into lowsec. Low sig, speed tank, good dps - T3C. PvErs will not have alternatives to do content. Other cruiser won't work in lowsec and beyond. It's already super easy to catch explorers with non-dscan recons. Full clear Superior Sleeper Site can be done in T3C or Nestor...Who will bring Nestor? This is way beyond "I want to fly something else in fleets".

Earlier you said 5/10s.

Make up your mind. It's possible even through tears, to be consistent.

Absurd. X-types? So you telling me that I need nullsec DED modules to do lowsec DED site? What is this? Show off?

Given that a VNI at the very least punches well above this *and* the fact that we haven't seen any actual numbers (from CCP or baltec1) I think you're stretching a bit making this claim.

You ignored it.

I ignored my own answer?

the link contained my LEVEL 5 MISSION fit, you don't have to bling it near as much for a 6/10. The key to all DED sites is a micro Jump Drive btw.

The point is that your over-reliance on Tech3 ships is a good example of why they need nerfing. From your post, you dabbled with using other ships, but rather than sticking with it, learning how to use those ships, learning how to keep them alive in low sec, learning how to get better at EVE, you defaulted to Tech3 Cruiser like so many other people do.

This is bad for the game, this stifles the joy of learning, of overcoming adversity. Those things are what keep people playing, whereas making things too easy to do (which Tech3 cruisers have done to PVE content for years) is the path to boredom and loss of interest in the game.



The question for the crying Tengu pilots in this thread is simple, can you put aside your personal preference for a needed change that is good for the game? I've spent years reading the posts of most people in this thread, and this is exactly what you ask of the rest of us, so, can YOU do what you ask others to do?

because if you can you will admit that Tech3s are overpowered (especially the tengu in PVE) and welcome their rebalancing.

lol, so you think your crazy idea to screw over low sec is the same as this? It was explained to you that you would not see the results you are looking for in lwo sec by doing that, in fact you'd make it worse for actual low sec people (the same way Dominion Sov was meant to help small alliances but instead created the circumstances that turns small alliance sinto renter alliances that were less free than they had been).

Because it was your idea, you could not be sufficiently critical of it, and kept coming to the wrong conclusions despite the hordes of posters trying to explain the flaw to you.

Just like in this thread an honest look at T3s demonstrates what's wrong with them, and why CCP is changing them. Sure, i'll miss my Guristas MAZE runner Tengu and my Sansha 10/10 Loki, but I'm honest enough to say that I know those things should have never existed in the 1st place.

I doubt this is possible. Most of the people on the "don't touch my T3C" side are responding to to an impending "loss" ie CCP has told them that their long ride on the good ship SS Overpower is ending. They are reacting normally if irrationally.



There are so many examples of this in EVE's history. I think my favorite was the end of the "high sec lvl 5 missions".

When CCP introduced lvl5 missions, the inadvertantly created a bug that let people spawn them in high sec systems 1 jump from low sec. CCP immediately identified it as a bug and stated clearly that lvl 5 missions were meant and designed for low security space, but they classified it as low priority, so for three years they left it in the game before finally fixing it.

One day around 2009 they announced they were getting around to fixing it. OMG it was crazy how people rushed tothe forums and proclaimed the end of EVE was nigh. They rationalized all kinds of excuses:

-high sec Lvl 5 missions let "the little guy" compete with the big null sec blocs in terms of income.

-high sec lvl 5s sometimes kill the passive tanked rattlesnakes and ishtar's that people do them with, so if you remove them you are hurting the builders of ishtar's and rattlesnakes!!!

-There are people who invade high sec lvl 5 missions and steal the loot from the mission runners, removing high sec lvl 5s hurts can flippers/loot stealers!!!

-some people are just in the game for high sec lvl 5s, remove them and they will unsub and CCP will lose money!!!!!

-"I fund my solo pvp with hs lvl 5s, taking them away won't make me move to low sec, it will just mean I can't pvp as much, CCP you are killing solo pvp with this"!!!!

On and on and on the BS went. They'd become so used to the easy and safe isk of high sec lvl 5s that it didn't matter one bit how it was abusing a known bug that was never intended. They literally did not care.

Well, it's the same here with Tech3 cruisers, is it not?