Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, I know because it happened to one of my alts who can fly a freighter. I logged off. Came back 15 minutes later and logged in to a fully intact freighter. It was empty and ganking it would have gotten them nothing. It was opportunistic bumping hoping for a sucker to payout a ransom.

People who suicide gank freighters tend to be profit oriented. No profit they don't gank....so logoff. You might lose that (empty) freighter, but probably not.

I don't think I've ever read a post of yours I didn't like.

It's like you write stuff just so I can nod my head, yep.

Yes ganking carries risk. Whether you like it or not. Any thread that begins with 'ganking has no risk' is a non-starter.

Answer this very simple question:
Who sets the rewards for gankers?

HOLY CRAP!!!

This is not about me getting suicide ganked and crying over forums LOL. Check my char, check my corp you see I lost nothing to suicide ganker about a half a year. I learned how to avoid them - after all they seek only weak and clueless as was said and thats fine and that is not my concern here.

I actually became occassional suicide ganker using alt character so it doesn't hurt my bussiness over there.

Its **** easy and there are absolutely no risks. Especially if you do not do it for profit but for lulz.

Stop posting your nonsenses all of you sucide gankers. This is not a thread about removing highsec ganking from the game - none of my suggestions will do that. Have y\ou even read it?

My suggestions only cause a major annoyance to gankers who ABUSE the mechanics and live in highsec with -9.9 security status.

Thats not how this should work. Clone soldier tags were created for a reason. If you want to live in highsec without restrictions then you need to fix your security status with tags.

Right now what? Even with -9.9 you can dock in any station on highsec and hide or trade. You are not being shot by sentry/concord, only by faction police that cannot hurt you if you travel through warp to zero. Using fast to warp ship nobody will catch you in highsec either and unlike lowsec, the chance there is someone waiting with instalock in pretty much zero. I fly through highsec with suspect all the time. Even if someone actually catch me at gate with dis my ship is fast enough to jump back to gate or to fly from range and continue. Tornado gankers in highsec doesn't care about criminals/suspects either - they wait for wealthy indy to oneshot him and they usually camp only till 1j from tradehubs.

Killrights do not affect them in slightest - they are -9.9 anyone can shoot them without need to activate it anyway. And they do not get shoot at until they arive on the grid to kill the prey they seeked.

The only thing they can't do in highsec is to rat or do missions. Which is laughable as ratting in highsec doesn't provide good profit anyway and l4 missions are everywhere not in highsec. That is - if they were actually doing them. But they do not. They are (mostly) alts to remove any consequences or risks.

So tell me, what do suicide gankers risks?

You know you lose your ship so you use the cheapest and strongests options - thats not a risk.
Security status loss doesn't affect you either - you gank with alt unconnected to your real operations so you are fine with that and it doesn't bother you. Also it can't be worse than -9.9 and the consequences are all the same and laughable.
Killright do not affect you in slightest - you already have around 100 killrights on you but with -9.9 it serves no purpose anyway.
You can't be shot at when tethered (or docked) pre-gank.
If there are multiple anti-gankers sitting in gate1 with blackbirds, all you need to do is to move your activity to gate2. You dictate where the gank happens, not them.
You use a neutral alts to scan ships on the route. You use neutral alts to warp-to the target to zero range. You use neutral alts to bump the freighter. You use neutral alts to pick up the loot. Again - no risks there, you are avoiding any risks of this activity via alts. I do not mind this is a game of alts and this is not my concern anyway.

So?

are you actually risk anything other than your target will survive?

Can you answer me this?




And - assume my suggestions will get in effect. It still won't force you to fix your status. You can stay docked in citadel of yours (or rather your neutral alt as always to avoid risks right). Then undock and fly to gate and gank. Then you can self-destruct your capsule or get destroyed to respawn in npc station and buy a shuttle, undock and pull off concord like you do now. If you need to hide you can hide at citadel. If you will want to avoid buying clone soldier tags then you will still be able to, it will just be *** annoying to do it.

Even says its easy to avoid ganking and that he hasn't been ganked in half a year. But still proposes ganking should be nerfed.

Carebear logic.

Whining about how gankers are alts. No ****. Ganking has been nerfed such that any character that does it is unusable except for more ganking. Still thinks ganking needs more nerfs.

Carebear logic.

Still doesn't know what risk is either. Anti-ganking thread 101.

I do not think it is fine to basically live in high-sec with -9.9 security status. It makes no sense that the empire/system/npcs call it whatever allows you do use all their features completely ignoring the fact you have heavy criminal.

Btw neither you nor Daichi Yamato did answer my question.

Nevermind. I know how these forums works and who posts here. You will protect your own agenda for all costs no matter if someone actually have a point or not. Logic nor common sense doesn't apply here.

I have another way to prove my point. Didn't want to go that route but if thats the way CPP can notice something isn't alright then so be it.

Now I am done talking here it leads no nowhere - you are not even willing to read what I wrote. Now I go ingame and make a plan B.

*let me pretend im taking the higher ground even though i didn't address half the concerns in this thread, didn't argue my idea, lied to push my agenda and belittle anyone who challenges my idea.

Instead I'll hint that there is an in game way to attack ganking. Hopefully no one will notice that this was the case all along and this thread was completely needless.*

Let me know when you plan to deviate from every anti-ganking thread ever.

I didn't answer your question because I find it irrelevant. The whole concept of suicide ganking would not exist if players using freighters were prudent and reasonable. The problem is not suicide gankers in any way whatsoever, but is a function of the players using freighters. They made really bad decisions and as a result create the entire issue because of their own imprudence. How is this CCP's problem? If some player is an idiot...how do you expect CCP to address it via a patch? And why are you nerfing a symptom of the "problem" and not the "problem" itself?

Just to clarify - I did not suggested to restrict the ability to buy/sell in high-sec. How would that be done anyway? And there is no need to. When criminals won't be able to dock in high-sec they would have to choose if they:
- fix their sec status to get the items from Jita 4-4
- use public courier contract to move them from 4-4 to citadel where is criminal allowed to dock or lowsec
- contract the items on alt/friend/etc who will move them from 4-4 to citadel or lowsec again

EDIT (similar wise if they want to sell something - once its in station they can sell it remotedly

So either more annoyance if the criminal wants to do that alone using alts withiut fixing his sec status. Or more content if he choose to use the other options.

Also - since there is no way to prevent criminals to have a home station in high-sec they should be allowed to buy ship and stuff in case they appear there after losing clone or jump there.