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oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#221 - 2017-04-24 01:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: oiukhp Muvila
I did some reading on the old forums around the end of 2005 / early 2006 and found it interesting that the threads regarding ganking were actually pretty rare, as I remembered.

And when "Carebears" complained about ganking; 95% of the time it happened in Low Sec.

Hi Sec ganking was talked about, and stated it was extremely rare, but that you shouldn't carry 5 bil (5 bil back thenAttention) in your t1 hauler. Freighters had just come out so there wasn't any talk about them getting ganked.

There were the examples of some duo players working together to gank in Hi Sec, but there were no large corps doing it as it is now.
I know there are exceptions to that, I'm just talking about what was the norm.

Basically,
The bar for ganking in Hi Sec is far lower than it used to be.
And a lot more players are doing it; per capita.


Feel free to check it out yourself:

https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=3519&page=3800
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=290414
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=221877
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=289031&page=1
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=286129
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=295138
Cade Windstalker
#222 - 2017-04-24 18:48:28 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
I did some reading on the old forums around the end of 2005 / early 2006 and found it interesting that the threads regarding ganking were actually pretty rare, as I remembered.

And when "Carebears" complained about ganking; 95% of the time it happened in Low Sec.

Hi Sec ganking was talked about, and stated it was extremely rare, but that you shouldn't carry 5 bil (5 bil back thenAttention) in your t1 hauler. Freighters had just come out so there wasn't any talk about them getting ganked.

There were the examples of some duo players working together to gank in Hi Sec, but there were no large corps doing it as it is now.
I know there are exceptions to that, I'm just talking about what was the norm.

Basically,
The bar for ganking in Hi Sec is far lower than it used to be.
And a lot more players are doing it; per capita.


Feel free to check it out yourself:

https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=3519&page=3800
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=290414
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=221877
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=289031&page=1
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=286129
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=295138


Fun fact, Freighters were basically ungankable for... something like a year after they came out? Something like that?

They didn't drop loot, at all, and CCP had to figure out a way to make them do it. I remember hearing they actually crashed the test server with their attempt at can-spew from Freighters before they got around to the idea of bigger wrecks that had to be looted by other Freighters.

There's some other reasons ganking wasn't as common then either, one was economics, another was the playerbase was much smaller (less chance of finding something worth ganking over x time), ect. Functionally speaking, at the time, ganking was actually easier. Ships got insurance when CONCORDED, Warp to 15 was still a thing for a lot of that, ect.

Yes, there was (probably, we don't have stats just forum whining) less ganking then, but personally I'd put it down to more of a cultural thing than ganking back then actually being harder to pull off.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#223 - 2017-04-25 10:56:35 UTC
If you think highsec ganking is easier now, let me tell you about getting 5+ barge kills in a single smartbombing run. Consistently. Barge/exhumer EHP has been radically increased since the good ol' days.

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