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How can ppl do Lv4s with Strategic Cruisers or Drakes?
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Nekopyat
Nee-Co
#21 - 2012-01-19 20:34:43 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Drake and Level 4s would be insanely boring and slow. Would be much better off blitzing through the Level 3s. You can do it in a drake but ugh.


This is what I generally found.

I did L4s in a pure passive tank drake at one point (T2, no active hardeners, DPS mods) and while I was able to complete them, it was slow and painful.

I also tried doing L4s in a hurricane.... not very effective, but it was exciting to say the least.
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#22 - 2012-01-19 22:06:34 UTC
Nekopyat wrote:
Spineker wrote:
Drake and Level 4s would be insanely boring and slow. Would be much better off blitzing through the Level 3s. You can do it in a drake but ugh.


This is what I generally found.

I did L4s in a pure passive tank drake at one point (T2, no active hardeners, DPS mods) and while I was able to complete them, it was slow and painful.

I also tried doing L4s in a hurricane.... not very effective, but it was exciting to say the least.


Back in the day I did L4's in my cane before I could fly BS's and you described my sentiments exactly.

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-01-20 00:28:56 UTC
Katherine Starlight wrote:
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Katherine Starlight wrote:


Why do so many think the thundercat cannot PVE and go with idiotic papertanks?, its more awesome in PVE than PVP.



Drake teaches pilots to sit there and absorb damage.

From what I understand of the Thundercat it doesn't have much long-term local tanking. You can't just pull all the aggro and sit there spamming missiles. You need speed tank and/or eliminate incoming DPS. (Or use RR like PL does in PVP).

It has a long term local tanking in missions, as long as you orbit something with the AB turned on, be it the beacon you warp in on in a pocket or a can. Unless its serpentis missions, then you can just sit there with full aggro spamming missiles. 400K+ EHP without implants against serpentis. Basicly you always have the AB turned on with the thundercat in missions, it is capstable.

Its not hard to move around. Heck just orbit the next acceleration gate.


also THUNDERCATS HOOOO



Might have to try it. I like the idea of having a nice HP buffer, and not being a loot pinata.
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#24 - 2012-01-20 09:10:21 UTC
"How can ppl do Lv4s with Strategic Cruisers or Drakes?"

Slowly and painfully.

Go for L4 behemoth --> Marauder
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#25 - 2012-01-20 12:11:41 UTC
Tengu is not that bad for L4 missions.

Drake - I guess if you have rather good skills and dont overtank it it should be sort of adequate but TBH nothing to write home about.

Whats best ofc depends on how you fly them, what kind of NPC's and what mission you are against, etc. Ability to sit in a hull and fit mods is just a start. A lot of "effectivity" comes from the fact how you are flying the ship -i.e., AFK ubertank vs. booster fueled gank ship, for example.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
Mawnee
Sleepless Knights
#26 - 2012-01-22 09:52:29 UTC
I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff.

My current fit was a bit more expensive but allows me to burn through without my tank wavering. I can sacrifice cap stability by tossing the cap power relay for a 2nd EANM, or tracking enhancer. But I usually just leave it like this and run everything.

[Proteus, missions setup dual rep]
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II

Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2012-01-22 10:41:34 UTC
Mawnee wrote:
I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff.
May I suggest the Ishtar?
Mawnee
Sleepless Knights
#28 - 2012-01-22 11:11:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mawnee wrote:
I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff.
May I suggest the Ishtar?


The OP was asking about strategic cruisers.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2012-01-22 11:43:30 UTC
Mawnee wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mawnee wrote:
I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff.
May I suggest the Ishtar?

The OP was asking about strategic cruisers.

Yes, but the point is: if you have the skills to fly a strat cruiser, you have the skills to fly a HAC, and if you pick the Proteus as your strat cruiser of choice, you might as well get the Ishtar since it does the job better.

It's a case of “why cross the river for water”.
Mawnee
Sleepless Knights
#30 - 2012-01-22 12:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mawnee
Tippia wrote:
Mawnee wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mawnee wrote:
I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff.
May I suggest the Ishtar?

The OP was asking about strategic cruisers.

Yes, but the point is: if you have the skills to fly a strat cruiser, you have the skills to fly a HAC, and if you pick the Proteus as your strat cruiser of choice, you might as well get the Ishtar since it does the job better.

It's a case of “why cross the river for water”.


Because I dont want to drink the water everyone else is swimming in =P

I have a multitude of ships set up for missions. I use whatever combat style suits my mood. It gets boring going on the interwebs to find and then using the current most popular ship for X :)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#31 - 2012-01-23 01:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Lich Lord Venetrax wrote:
I was just wondering how can you manage Lv4 missions with the DPS of a Loki or Drake, max I'm able to do on EFT is around 300DPS but it sounds hard to pull down enemy BS with such low damage....so I'm gonna ask how do you do it? Thx^^

This is horribly overtanked, but it works a treat (ZMH2000 and ZMM1000 implants assumed):

[Tengu, HML: 790 DPS + 716 DPS Tank]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Spineker
#32 - 2012-01-23 01:06:05 UTC
My rule of thumb is always better to be over tanked than shuttle to Jita to buy a new ship.
Shukuzen Kiraa
Wildlands Tactical Response Unit
Out of the Blue.
#33 - 2012-01-23 03:02:19 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:


Figure it out yourself or go to ships and modules. This isn't a charity zone.


Anyone ever tell you you're extremely annoying? I'm willing to bet they have. Go be a prick somewhere else.
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-01-23 03:39:49 UTC
I also used to do level 4s in a Hurricane. Its a nice change of pace when you get bored heh.

You should have no problems in a Drake or Tengu. Although the Drake would be REALLY slow.
Ronk Cho Fat
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-01-23 03:58:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronk Cho Fat
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Lich Lord Venetrax wrote:
I was just wondering how can you manage Lv4 missions with the DPS of a Loki or Drake, max I'm able to do on EFT is around 300DPS but it sounds hard to pull down enemy BS with such low damage....so I'm gonna ask how do you do it? Thx^^

This is horribly overtanked, but it works a treat (ZMH2000 and ZMM1000 implants assumed):

[Tengu, HML: 790 DPS + 716 DPS Tank]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


overtanked and rigged like a true failship. Rigors/flare or Loadingbay/flare depending on the setup. Use small booster, two specific hardner, and shield amps to remain cap stable if you need it. Target painter is a waste of time if you rig correctly and use HML.
Spineker
#36 - 2012-01-23 04:30:29 UTC
Target painters are pretty much useless period beyond Golem etc.
Calanthas
Ninja Pixels
#37 - 2012-01-23 06:15:33 UTC
I learned to do L4's before I really learned missions at all, and I am still learning which is why I am here.

I was in a corp with a guy who would recruit any newbie he could get and ask us to come run missions with him.

He would sit there and tank the mission, any mission, then politely ask us to go kill the NPC's.

We made out pretty good with the agent status, ISK, and I believe LP we received. He would make suggestions to us how to fit our ships better. Any ship we were flying. Very ugly, wrong, newbie fits - but the CO was insanely good with the math, and very patient with us.

I went from flying a cruiser and doing L1 missions, to battleship flying L4's (never did L2, or L3), but stuck with the Drake because I am still a low skilled pilot.

Flying the Drake in L4's sucks with low skills. A lot better to have a team player flying with you.

I run the L4's with a Raven, but better off with the Drake until my tanking skills get better. The guy I flew with had all the tanking skills.

It's all about the math. And the fits. Helps to have somebody with you.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#38 - 2012-01-25 06:39:02 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Oh look, a silly Drake:

[Drake, stupid mishin drake full gank]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Domination 10MN Afterburner
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5

Those all break 400 easily without drones.


Swap a ballistic control for an overdrive injector for better speed tank. You won't need the booster or boost amplifier for most missions. Just keep moving and using superior range as your tank.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#39 - 2012-01-25 08:06:03 UTC
Before I flew Mach I use to do missions vs Cartel in a HAM Legion.

Armour tank set up, but it was so mobile and had such strong Kin/Exp resists on the shield, I barely needed to turn a repper on. Was pretty quick at DPSing through missions too IIRC.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-01-25 10:18:21 UTC
First of all. Skills

and that means more than weapon skills. Shield and Core skills acording to the Certificates need to be at standard at a minimum.

Weapons support and Battlescruisers/Tactical cruisers


Drake: Can run lvl 4's not the best choice but probably the first, use it to gain some money and time to buy and learn the skills for a battleship.

And a Tengu can do about anything, You sure you fitted the right subsystems?

I believe there is a 1000 DPS Tengu fit out on the internet. so doing enough damage should not be a problem.

Finally remember you can always do the damage the rats have the fewest resistance against.
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