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The Federal Frontier: A new Federation-focused Capsuleer news site

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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#21 - 2017-04-22 18:03:00 UTC
Nice try.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#22 - 2017-04-22 21:34:39 UTC
Tarek Raimo, counter intelligence officer for GMVA, provides his thoughts on the possibility and benefits of reunification between the Caldari State and the Gallente Federation.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2017-04-22 23:25:27 UTC
I would like to commend GMVA and Commander Soter personally on this fine effort that is of great value and importance to any pilot in the cluster.

When one is trying to purge an infection, after all, encysting the worst of the pus and muck to a single location where it can be safely ignored is an excellent first step.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#24 - 2017-04-22 23:42:43 UTC
The Case for Re-unification is a surprisingly ok text.

Not that i agree with it, but it´s not the hate spilling content from the first texts.

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#25 - 2017-04-23 01:35:04 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Honestly, pilots, Soter just craves attention. This latest grandstanding is par for the course.
Ok, you did it again, this is twice in two days that you have made me laugh. But today it was irony, not humor.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2017-04-23 02:13:20 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Ok, you did it again, this is twice in two days that you have made me laugh. But today it was irony, not humor.


So few of us have your understated style, you roguish master spy, you.

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Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2017-04-23 02:48:35 UTC
Oh no, something un-apologetically Gallentean!

ATTACK IT! KILL IT! DESTROY IT!

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Tsao Aubbes
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#28 - 2017-04-23 03:51:08 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Oh no, something un-apologetically Gallentean!

ATTACK IT! KILL IT! DESTROY IT!

..I'm not sure that's, umm, what people were saying, Mr. Galente. They were commenting on the news being more.. umm.. biased, y-yknow.

Tressith Sefira > You don't understand. She IS the awkward.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#29 - 2017-04-23 04:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Makoto Priano wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Ok, you did it again, this is twice in two days that you have made me laugh. But today it was irony, not humor.


So few of us have your understated style, you roguish master spy, you.
I think... I should be flattered... but understated? I am a bit long in the tooth to be roguish and master spy, if I were such wouldn't I be a bit more circumspect in my presentation?

No, I fear I am a humble trader and nothing more. Though thank you for the complement... I think.

Now speculation on the 'truth' of you, is a much more interesting topic. Perhaps The Federal Frontier should do a feature?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2017-04-23 04:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
I don't know, Mr. Soter. Just about everybody in the State grew up getting most of our media from NOH, and yet its reputation is still terrible, not to mention shadowy and suspicious.

A fun game you can play with NOH broadcasts: listen carefully, then try to guess what really happened.


James Syagrius wrote:
Now speculation on the 'truth' of you, [Makoto Priano,] is a much more interesting topic.


Eee! Isn't it interesting? Loyal Caldari pilot with ties to Zainou Biotech who pretty consistently actually seems to want to cooperatively tackle the most pressing mysteries of our time and work together to resolve them.

There MUST be an angle! (Mustn't there?)





(I've never actually seen much sign of one. The Caldari might be culturally a little anti-intellectual and uninterested in knowledge for knowledge's sake, but apparently genuine curiosity hasn't been selected out of the gene pool yet. And a good thing, too.)
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2017-04-23 06:35:01 UTC
Tsao Aubbes wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Oh no, something un-apologetically Gallentean!

ATTACK IT! KILL IT! DESTROY IT!

..I'm not sure that's, umm, what people were saying, Mr. Galente. They were commenting on the news being more.. umm.. biased, y-yknow.



All news is biased, I'd rather my outlets are at least honest about their angle and I can shop accordingly.

The dialogue about this little venture seems to be as follows.

Soter: "Hi yes I am making a news outlet that is for Gallenteans and mostly written by highly invested people in GalMill. I just want to lay that out there so people know what they're getting int -"

People that seem to have an ongoing feud with Soter and are clearly not the target audience of this news service: "OMG THIS ARTICLE DOESN'T LIKE THAT THE AMARR HOLD SLAVES AND THAT IS SOMEHOW NOT OK TO POINT OUT BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE DO BAD THINGS TOO."

Soter: "Wha?-"

Same people (with the addition of a 'grr Gallente' bandwagoner or two): "YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED. THIS IS NOT TO MY TASTES AND THEREFOR SHOULDN'T EXIST."


..And I'm only slightly exaggerating, is the thing.. And yeah, there are some valid points, like with the whole personal slander thing not being as important as dealing with Kyonoke. But when someone makes up a straight-up lie about you, and you're a respect-oriented person, your first reaction to that isn't always the most productive. I can sort of understand the urge, and it's far from somehow wrong to defend yourself, no matter the circumstances. It's just, perhaps, not as good as you could be. But it's not wrong.

TL;DR I wish people who knew they weren't going to like a service because it wasn't designed for them, would just have the decency to stay away, or say "This isn't my thing" instead of stirring the pot for kicks, and trying to say that it shouldn't exist at all.

Lastly, since I know at least one mouth-breather is going to think I'm some sort of GalMill boot licker if I don't criticize something about this (and indeed there is plenty to criticize, in my opinion), I will say, Soter, that your writers calling the Caldari "mendacious", is, well, just silly. I lived in the State for 5 years, and if there's one insulting thing I would say you can't really say about them, it's that they're liars. Rather, the Caldari I knew were brutally honest, something I deeply admire about them.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Jev North
Doomheim
#32 - 2017-04-23 06:49:57 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
And yeah, there are some valid points..

Rather, yes. Your argument seems to be "look, you can't complain about being slandered in Gallentean propaganda because it's aimed at Gallente, not you," which is.. breathtakingly inane.


Jason Galente wrote:
Lastly, since I know at least one mouth-breather is going to think I'm some sort of GalMill boot licker[..]

I wouldn't accuse you of licking Soter's boot, exactly.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#33 - 2017-04-23 07:16:18 UTC
I can only hope it will get better with time.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2017-04-23 07:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
... so ... a few things, Mr. Galente.

The Inquest ended two weeks ago, and it seems like the priority for Mr. Soter is still the posters. We're a little past first reactions. (And second, and third.)

This is the Intergalactic Summit. Stuff you post here, you reeeeeeeeally don't get to limit the audience or commentariat for. It's one of the reasons my journal's a little more private these days. It's also a quality I really appreciate it for-- if I mess up, there will, for sure, be someone with a keen interest in highlighting the mistake. If you publish a periodical full of deeply unfair stuff, you should expect to meet hostility when you bring it here unless you can somehow disarm that reaction (Muck Raker's not exactly unbiased).

Attacking the Amarr for holding slaves is one thing. Just as other people's various awfulnesses don't negate that one, though, it also doesn't validate each and every criticism anyone directs at the Empire. The criticism of the Empire's delegation wasn't based on slavery; it was based on the proposal that the infected sites should be obliterated, which the Empire offered jointly with the State.

And if we hadn't found the cure-- and it was by no means clear at the start of Day 3 that we would-- it might have had to be done. That might have ended up being the right call. In the end, the delegates from the Empire, much like almost everyone else, voted not to do such a thing. We didn't have to, so we didn't.

Finally, if someone advertised a Caldari-oriented journal here that featured articles on the evils of bloodline interbreeding, the importance of suppressing dissent, the theft of Caldari culture by "uplifted" Achura, the relative wisdom of perhaps just exterminating "client" peoples rather than tolerating and even (gasp) protecting them, and the belief that persons of Gallentean ancestry are genetically predisposed to be both weak and treacherous, would you really be telling me that I shouldn't complain because it's not for me?

Or would you be squawking right alongside me?
Muck Raker
Gutter Press
#35 - 2017-04-23 08:20:56 UTC
The production values of The Federal Frontier are extremely high, and the effort put in to achieve this level of slick professionalism must be appreciated.
Would I be right that the Federal Frontier is perhaps more accessible to personal data devices than the IGS ?

I, for one, welcome the addition of another viewpoint in the news-o-sphere.

Rumours, Wars, Rumours of Wars, Wars of Rumours!

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#36 - 2017-04-23 09:27:11 UTC
I´m impressed by the hability of this communication line to factionalize every damn thing that happen in the cluster.

The title says: "The Federal Frontier: A new Federation-focused Capsuleer news site". I look at it to see if we have more good material like The Scope news (that are getting too slow to report things) (And was also Gallente), and all i see is an Opinion Site.

Nothing wrong on having opinions, i know people value theirs very much as if it meant something, but i was expecting a News site.

We live in a universe where we have 5 factions with administrative control on a lethal police force with absurd strong tech that persecutes us capsuleers, where strange powerful sleeping/awakened beings send automated seekers that collect corpses so they can leave a virtual world created who know when and how, where an ancient faction supposed to be dead is now pretty much all around collecting data from observatory posts that belonged to another ancient powerful faction that gave their power away and appears to have disappeared for good after a huge stellar explosion visible from all around the known universe offlined their entire stargate network and perhaps their entire advanced civilization, that was beign sacked by a powerful hive mind leader that kidnaps millions of people to increase his hive mind army on incursions that disrupt the economy production and business of the cluster no matter the security of the system, arriving in ways that appear to bend the known laws of pyshics creating wormholes to travel around the very fabric of space and time, wormholes that started to appear after a catastrophic event that took many lives and destroyed planets, and the list goes on and on....

But all i got was "Ammar are slavers, Caldari are evil"

I´m sure the frustration can be understood.

As for caldari beign anti-intellectual Aria Jenneth, come to Saisio so we can have a little chat over a very interesting tea that will may open new doors for you.

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Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#37 - 2017-04-23 13:44:33 UTC
The opinion articles posted are to provide the tableau of thoughts from our constituent contributors out into the open. The news is to follow. Stay tuned.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Stig Elendil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2017-04-23 13:56:35 UTC
Always nice to have a new press element.

But... Is this truely news or just a militia newspaper ? I'm always circonspect to see a military organisation publishing news.

I can only hope that there will be lot more news with lot more views than just the nationalist point of view. I hope we'll see papers about culture, sports, education, sciences, diplomacy and so on...

I am Gallente. Same as i can't support extremists point of view in Caldari I can't support it either in my own Federation. We all know what factionalism/extremism brings to us...

Farewell in your press life.


Arrendis
TK Corp
#39 - 2017-04-23 14:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
I really do like the idea of the site. There's nothing wrong with an unabashedly Federal-leaning news outlet, after all, and as long as they're making their biases open and honest, the articles should be able to be read through that lens. That said..

The writing isn't great, but that's not the writers' fault. Every writer makes mistakes, every writer has room to improve (myself especially). That's why editors exist. The writers on that site aren't being helped by the decidedly sub-par editing—if there is any at all.

Example:

Tarek Raimo wrote:
Of course the knee-jerk reaction would be to point at the recent Provist movement and use it as an example of the continuing threat the Caldari pose for our way of life. We must not forget – however – that the followers of Tibus Heth were ultimately censored and expelled by the Caldari State itself, and before we fault the Caldari for embracing an extremist ideology we should look at the history of our own nation. We have also once collectively fallen into the trap of jingoistic, racist warmongers and believed that only they can lead us to greatness. It is an easy pill to swallow, especially under duress. I can only commend our Intaki brethren for the courage they showed back in those days. They would not allow themselves to be swept up in the current of political extremism, often to their own peril. On the Caldari side we can see an equally courageous faction – the Ishukone Corporation – who have risked much in opposing Tibus Heth and the more nationalistic Caldari factions.


The problems start right at the beginning of the paragraph.


1. "Of course" is a transitive phrase, providing a bridge from the preceding sentence (and in this case, paragraph) into this one. A transitive phrase is always offset by a comma.
2. The entire compound sentence is too long. This isn't a grammatical error so much as poor writing, something an editor is there to correct. The sentence should be broken up. Also, threats are posed to things, not for things.
3. The en-dash (–) is used completely incorrectly. An en-dash is used to connect a series of numbers, such as YC88–110, or join a multi-word descriptor to another word in a complex adjective. In this usage, the en-dash is similar to, but subtly different from, the hyphen used in simpler compound adjectives. An example is "artillery-wielding madman" (hypen) vs. "1400mm Howitzer Artillery II–wielding madman" (en-dash). Note that the em-dash (—) is used in a completely different manner as well, but is probably what was intended here, as indicated by later usage of the en-dash. The correct puncuation to offset "however" is, however, commas.
4. Again, the sentence is too long. The longer the sentence, the more likely you are to bore and confuse the reader. Shorter sentences also let the reader keep their place if interrupted. Break this sentence up.
5. Next sentence is sloppy. 'We have also'; does this mean 'we've done this in addition to other things' or 'they aren't the only ones who've done this'?
6. Unless the warmongers were actively setting a trap for the Gallente people, the Gallente people fell under their sway, not into their trap.
7. Tense disagreement: 'believed only they can'. Either it's past-tense or present-tense. Not both.
8. Next sentence: pretty good, on its own. In the context of the literary flow, though, it needs more work. It also marks a slight change in the direction of the writer's thought. As a result, it might be the right place to break this into two smaller paragraphs to make things easier for the reader.
9. Next sentence: good, but awkward. Is there a reason to bring the Intaki into this? If not, don't. If there is, lead into them better. As it is, it feels like jumping tracks. The reader is not in the author's mind. Always remember that.
10. Next: again, awkward. Break it up and expand the final clause into its own thought.
11. Final sentence: We again start with a transitivie phrase. Need a comma.
12. Improper use of en-dash again. This is clearly meant to be an em-dash, which would be appropriate, but which does not use spaces.
13. The man loves his long sentences. I can relate. I once had an editor tell me I had an entire paragraph that had seventeen commas and one period. Grammatically-perfect, but hard to read.
14. There's also a lot of passive voice and adverbs in there. Kill both. With extreme prejudice.

Result:
With an editor.. wrote:

Of course, the knee-jerk reaction would be to point at the recent Provist movement. For many, it is an example of the continuing threat the Caldari pose to our way of life. We must not forget, however, that the followers of Tibus Heth were ultimately censored and expelled by the Caldari State itself. Before we fault the Caldari for embracing an extremist ideology we should look at the history of our own nation. Once, we too fell under the sway of jingoistic, racist warmongers. We believed that only they could lead us to greatness.

That kind of thinking is an easy pill to swallow. It gets even easier under duress. But there will always be those who avoid that trap. That's less easy. Our Intaki brethren showed great courage in those days. They did not allow themselves to be swept up in the current of political extremism. They should be commended for that courage, for it came often at their own peril. On the Caldari side we can see an equally courageous faction—the Ishukone Corporation—who risked much in opposing Tibus Heth. Even now, they continue to resist, and risk, in the face of more nationalistic Caldari factions.


So, yeah. Good idea. Nothing at all wrong with the idea. Needs better execution.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#40 - 2017-04-23 14:53:38 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
I really do like the idea of the site. There's nothing wrong with an unabashedly Federal-leaning news outlet, after all, and as long as they're making their biases open and honest, the articles should be able to be read through that lens. That said..

The writing isn't great, but that's not the writers' fault. Every writer makes mistakes, every writer has room to improve (myself especially). That's why editors exist. The writers on that site aren't being helped by the decidedly sub-par editing—if there is any at all.

Example:.


I'll contact you regarding your assistance in our editing program...

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/