Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Total absolute intel would be if local gave you not only all the info you have to go to third party sites to gather (not a balance issue), the intel it actually gets you, but also warpable links to your location.

By comparision local gives very little.


No, the moderate reduction of combat ability on a cov-ops hull does not justify the power of the cloak it can use. There are many weaker ships in the game that do not enjoy any sort of return for that weakness, never mind the sort of unbreakable safety a cloak can provide. Sure it's in a limited (sort of) circumstance, but correctly used there is nothing to be done about a cloaked ship but just tolerate it or leave.

Side Note: He isn't the first to complain about cloaks in wormholes. I've seen plenty of discussion about it, ranging from people complaining that they are nearly required to those complaining of the absolute safety enjoyed by those hiding capitals under them, though I may have missed why this was a bigger deal in a wormhole than anywhere else.

Cloaking mechanics in general are tilted way to far to safety in their use. Doesn't matter where or why you are using it, the fact that it can only be broken by the user making an error or conscious decision is just too much.

You are starting to sound like a broken record. Lets present you a theory. If you take a look at nearly all other intel tools, you will find several things about it, first of all, all map info tools are ambiguous, it doesn't tell WHO they are, they just say they are there. Unlike Local intel system which will notify you the instant someone jumps into a system of who they are, their status to your corp set by your corp/alliance.

Map intel tools are also delayed, again, unlike the local intel tool, which notifies you before the attacker can even load grid. Which in turn makes local intel tool the perfect tool for defenders


Also with talks of the observatory array, it highly likely that you can start disrupt the map intel tool (an in turn lie to all the sites that draw from the Map intel API) so the Map intel tools might not even be right anymore once this device is put into place.

Finally the cloaks arn't broken at all. Because they can choose their engagement at the consquences at being extremely heavily nerfed combat wise makes them balance unto itself. Ontop of the fact that local will always let you know he there, so in reality is, he not hidden, he simply unfindable.

You are starting to sound like a broken record. Lets present you a theory. If you take a look at nearly all other intel tools, you will find several things about it, first of all, all map info tools are ambiguous, it doesn't tell WHO they are, they just say they are there. Unlike Local intel system which will notify you the instant someone jumps into a system of who they are, their status to your corp set by your corp/alliance.

Map intel tools are also delayed, again, unlike the local intel tool, which notifies you before the attacker can even load grid. Which in turn makes local intel tool the perfect tool for defenders


Also with talks of the observatory array, it highly likely that you can start disrupt the map intel tool (an in turn lie to all the sites that draw from the Map intel API) so the Map intel tools might not even be right anymore once this device is put into place.

Finally the cloaks arn't broken at all. Because they can choose their engagement at the consquences at being extremely heavily nerfed combat wise makes them balance unto itself. Ontop of the fact that local will always let you know he there, so in reality is, he not hidden, he simply unfindable.

You will notice that Local is somewhat limited as well. You kinda have to be in system to even see it.

It obviously doesn't tell you where anyone is, since that's the issue with the people talking about AFK campers. *All* it tells you is who the pilot is, and any available information attached to that ID. It says nothing about the ship they are in, and all other combat information is third party.

I have said repeatedly that the OA isn't going to be the boon that the super risk adverse cloaky folks want to believe. Sure you can take it down, but no one will operate in the ships you want to target without one, and knowing it went down will be about as easy as watching local now. The thing will bring pain all around, giving many people what they asked for and pretty much no one what they wanted.

If you don't understand that cloaks are broken as they are, then you really can't see past your own toes. It's broken incredibly in your favor, so it's fine.

No, the point is that Local isn't some omniscient all inclusive intel. Others were talking about map features that gave information for things not in system with you.

However, hypothetically it would be useful for finding the staging area of hotdrops (currently done with scouts), and monitoring traffic (usually done with alts), and no doubt a few hundred other useful things that could benefit from higher precision intel than is currently allowed by the "perfect intel tool"

By the analogy of cloak ships not being able to do anything, therefore they have the right to be exempt from combat is the same as stating that shuttles should be invulnerable.

Shocking news: an expensive combat ship has more powerful abilities than a dirt cheap ship whose sole purpose is to be a disposable one-way shield for your pod while you're moving between real ships.

It also gives you 10m3 of cargo hold.

We need to make the shuttle invulnerable to bring them in line with the same cloaking balance. Lack of ability's a ship has is obviously equivalent to buffed defences.