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The CSM – Council of Sov. Management.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#181 - 2017-04-21 22:48:50 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
when were those times?

> bob times
> cancer svipul times
> useless rorquals
> before fozzie sov
> before jump range nerf

check your answer Cool


You started in 2015, before your times sonny.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2017-04-21 22:51:18 UTC
i know... i'm kid Sad
but i love bitter vets! legit
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#183 - 2017-04-21 22:53:31 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:

Querns wrote:
Irrelevant. Most of my characters live in highsec. They all vote straight GSF ticket.

You can't draw a meaningful conclusion from where characters are located, because characters don't vote based on their location. They vote based on their owner's identity and preferences. Location may be weakly correlated with identity, but it damn well isn't causing it.

The CSM election results show that an overwhelming number of folks identify as 0.0 players. Thus, nullsec is the most important part of the game.


You're proving my point. There should be a consequence of you hiding your alts risk-free in HS. That is less CSM representation. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Remember when people in null took risks? I 'member.


If such a change came to pass (let's set aside the fact that it'd be impossible,) I'd just move my alts to nullsec, then maybe set up a false-flag candidate for highsec.

Keep setting up these little glass vignettes, I'll keep smashing them.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#184 - 2017-04-21 23:02:26 UTC
Querns wrote:
If such a change came to pass (let's set aside the fact that it'd be impossible,) I'd just move my alts to nullsec, then maybe set up a false-flag candidate for highsec.

Keep setting up these little glass vignettes, I'll keep smashing them.


Because 0.0 alts can do the same job as NPC corp HS alts?
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#185 - 2017-04-21 23:03:06 UTC
Aryth wrote:
The great irony of all of this is that I was far and away the largest advocate for high-sec. The dirty little secret to the majority of our Finance group is we are largely highsec based. Production/Trade/Manip/Spec etc. Given we all participate in these things at a large scale level means we have an incentive to make it better.

But enough real talk.


Lawl, you guys cry like this every year. Every year we shower you with truth but you will never recognize it. So yep, we are going to have fun with it every year too.


I doubt your Hi Sec vision is shared by the majority of players.

I've been on Goon comms enough times over the years as allied to know many of the half-baked ideas SomethingAwful has come up with, and they never have the welfare of the overall player-base in mind.

The general theme has always been how to ruin the game experience for as many as possible outside your little anti-social clique as often as possible, with ultimate goal of a rage-quit.

Your more Hi Sec'y incarnation by the name of CODE. has always been the vanguard of that effort. with its clever mission statement to mask its basic griefing objectives.

Granted Eve Online has always had some of that element since launch, but emergent game-play that resulted in far more organization has resulted in what many consider to be cancer to the game.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#186 - 2017-04-21 23:09:59 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Querns wrote:
If such a change came to pass (let's set aside the fact that it'd be impossible,) I'd just move my alts to nullsec, then maybe set up a false-flag candidate for highsec.

Keep setting up these little glass vignettes, I'll keep smashing them.


Because 0.0 alts can do the same job as NPC corp HS alts?


Of course not. I'd just repurpose them for nullsec.

The primary reason I have any highsec alts is A) shopping in Jita, and 2) production. The bulk of my guys are for 2. Shifting my production to nullsec-advantaged items is trivial, should I decide to do it.

A is becoming less and less necessary, thanks to new structures.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#187 - 2017-04-21 23:14:02 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:

Granted Eve Online has always had some of that element since launch, but emergent game-play that resulted in far more organization has resulted in what many consider to be cancer to the game.


This just in: organization is cancer. Oncologists worldwide celebrate as this medical breakthrough sweeps the globe!

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#188 - 2017-04-21 23:27:16 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:

I doubt your Hi Sec vision is shared by the majority of players.

I've been on Goon comms enough times over the years as allied to know many of the half-baked ideas SomethingAwful has come up with, and they never have the welfare of the overall player-base in mind.

The general theme has always been how to ruin the game experience for as many as possible outside your little anti-social clique as often as possible, with ultimate goal of a rage-quit.

Your more Hi Sec'y incarnation by the name of CODE. has always been the vanguard of that effort. with its clever mission statement to mask its basic griefing objectives.

Granted Eve Online has always had some of that element since launch, but emergent game-play that resulted in far more organization has resulted in what many consider to be cancer to the game.



lets go to the tape

hmm, goons have won ten times as many to infinity times as many seats as people whose primary platform is whining over ganking

i guess it is shared by the majority of the players! thanks for playing, whiny npc alt, best of luck in your future endeavors
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#189 - 2017-04-21 23:29:14 UTC
I understand that it may be troubling for some of you to become fully aware of just how alone you are, but it's better to come to terms with it in a safe environment, like this thread, rather than under adversity later.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#190 - 2017-04-21 23:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Retar Aveymone
Sonya Corvinus wrote:

You're proving my point. There should be a consequence of you hiding your alts risk-free in HS. That is less CSM representation. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Remember when people in null took risks? I 'member.

you know, i think we've reached a breakthrough here

yes, i definitely think we can all agree that highsec characters shouldn't vote. if your character hasn't spent 50% of its time in nullsec, it should be disenfranchised
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#191 - 2017-04-21 23:49:38 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
you know, i think we've reached a breakthrough here

yes, i definitely think we can all agree that highsec characters shouldn't vote. if your character hasn't spent 50% of its time in nullsec, it should be disenfranchised


Null is safer than HS ATM. Why should they get a bigger share of the vote, given they are a minority of the players living in the safest part of the game? Good point though, 0.0 players who take no risk in game shouldn't be able to vote.

Get rid of local in null so 0.0 has risk again and then we can talk, though.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#192 - 2017-04-21 23:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Querns wrote:
Of course not. I'd just repurpose them for nullsec.

The primary reason I have any highsec alts is A) shopping in Jita, and 2) production. The bulk of my guys are for 2. Shifting my production to nullsec-advantaged items is trivial, should I decide to do it.

A is becoming less and less necessary, thanks to new structures.


What's stopping you from doing your shopping and production in null now? If you want to live in null, live in null. Take a few risks for once. Why are people in 0.0 always the ones who refuse to take any risk in game? That's our problem here.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#193 - 2017-04-22 00:01:17 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Querns wrote:
Of course not. I'd just repurpose them for nullsec.

The primary reason I have any highsec alts is A) shopping in Jita, and 2) production. The bulk of my guys are for 2. Shifting my production to nullsec-advantaged items is trivial, should I decide to do it.

A is becoming less and less necessary, thanks to new structures.


What's stopping you from doing your shopping and production in null now? If you want to live in null, live in null. Take a few risks for once. Why are people in 0.0 always the ones who refuse to take any risk in game? That's our problem here.


Inertia.

BTW: "Risk" isn't a word you add to any aberrant abortion that drips out of your brain. Your use of the word belies a complete misunderstanding of even the basics of the topics you're trying to ape.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#194 - 2017-04-22 00:09:18 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:

What's stopping you from doing your shopping and production in null now? If you want to live in null, live in null. Take a few risks for once. Why are people in 0.0 always the ones who refuse to take any risk in game? That's our problem here.

the game is specifically designed to require nullsec to trade in empire by making certain moon minerals regional and ice regional

goonswarm, however, has (by far) the biggest market in nullsec
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#195 - 2017-04-22 00:09:27 UTC
Querns wrote:
BTW: "Risk" isn't a word you add to any aberrant abortion that drips out of your brain. Your use of the word belies a complete misunderstanding of even the basics of the topics you're trying to ape.


So tell me why a part of space that's 100% safe 100% of the time as long as someone is watching local chat should get a bigger representation in CSM? The biggest carebears in the game get the most representation? That seems off to me.

I enjoy danger in the game, and like to reward people who feel the same way. That's a core part of EVE. There's little danger in sov null ATM. Less CSM representation from sov null would go a long way.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#196 - 2017-04-22 00:10:39 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
you know, i think we've reached a breakthrough here

yes, i definitely think we can all agree that highsec characters shouldn't vote. if your character hasn't spent 50% of its time in nullsec, it should be disenfranchised


Null is safer than HS ATM. Why should they get a bigger share of the vote, given they are a minority of the players living in the safest part of the game? Good point though, 0.0 players who take no risk in game shouldn't be able to vote.

Get rid of local in null so 0.0 has risk again and then we can talk, though.

there is a thing very stupid people do, where they say x, then when that gets smashed, they say they never said x, they said y

it doesn't work very well on forums where your dumbassery is there to quote

how, precisely, do you think that null is less risky than highsec, which you already admitted is risk-free

have we discovered the secrets of negative risk
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#197 - 2017-04-22 00:13:23 UTC
i know all about risk, said the man who whines that the region he lives in takes several seconds to automatically blow up anyone who shoots at him
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#198 - 2017-04-22 00:13:36 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Querns wrote:
BTW: "Risk" isn't a word you add to any aberrant abortion that drips out of your brain. Your use of the word belies a complete misunderstanding of even the basics of the topics you're trying to ape.


So tell me why a part of space that's 100% safe 100% of the time as long as someone is watching local chat should get a bigger representation in CSM? The biggest carebears in the game get the most representation? That seems off to me.

I enjoy danger in the game, and like to reward people who feel the same way. That's a core part of EVE. There's little danger in sov null ATM. Less CSM representation from sov null would go a long way.


Ah, here we go -- we're finally starting to strip away the dross and find the real hatred buried within.

So in your previous posts, you claimed that I should move my alts to nullsec, so I would have to endure risk. However, in this post, you claim that there is no risk in 0.0. Which is it?

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#199 - 2017-04-22 00:14:44 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
there is a thing very stupid people do, where they say x, then when that gets smashed, they say they never said x, they said y

it doesn't work very well on forums where your dumbassery is there to quote

how, precisely, do you think that null is less risky than highsec, which you already admitted is risk-free

have we discovered the secrets of negative risk


/sigh....anyone watching local chat in sov null will literally never get killed when PvE-ing. It's the safest place in the game to make ISK. In terms of risk, LS and WHs are the only places left in game that are actually challenging. Being in goons nearly made me quit the game given how easy/boring it was. I like a challenge, and to the topic at hand I don't like the idea of CSM getting a disproportional share in an area of space that's not challenging and easy.

Next time you're in HS ask yourself if you know every person in local chat. If the answer is no, sov null is safer. Get rid of local in null and we're onto something.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#200 - 2017-04-22 00:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Querns wrote:
Ah, here we go -- we're finally starting to strip away the dross and find the real hatred buried within.

So in your previous posts, you claimed that I should move my alts to nullsec, so I would have to endure risk. However, in this post, you claim that there is no risk in 0.0. Which is it?


I'd have you move to LS or WHs personally, if you actually want a challenge. I can break it down for you though.

HS NPC corps (or one man HS corps) are the least risky. These aren't mains for 90% of people, they are alts, we both know this, and know that's why I said what I did.
sov null alliances are next.
HS in a corp comes after that.

I'm assuming your alts are in NPC or one man corps. Am I wrong?