EVE General Discussion

Nobody can represent the idiots who can't even be bothered to vote. We got a guy in on a "I don't need your pubbie vote" because the player base does not care enough about being represented to even vote. If there were ton of candidates where the vote had been spread then maybe the system would be a failure because the votes gets diluted but that's not even the case. The playstyle who aren't represented either are extremely small or can't be arsed to vote. CCP can't force people to vote and even if they did, those "CBA to vote" would probably cast random votes to the top X names so they can hit next and get on with their gaming time.

Correct. This is not about people who do not vote. This is about people who vote and have a a playstyle that does not lend itself to the numbers game - see the long tail of first choices. Their groups and play styles do not have the organizational largess to effectively force the election of a candidate, yet the players themselves are, at least in my appraisal, part of the larger eve community, and if the CSM is to report the stated goal of representing the eve community, they should not be so systematically shut out of the process. They are.

Each voter gets one vote, which can transfer from their first-preference to their second-preference, so if your preferred candidate has no chance of being elected or has enough votes already, your vote is transferred to your second choice candidate in accordance with your instructions. STV thus ensures that very few votes are wasted, unlike First Past the Post, where only a small number of votes actually contribute to the result.

Did they all vote for only one candidate? Maybe instead of can't be arsed to vote it's a case of can't be arsed to vote correctly?

Or maybe the numbers actually aren't here...

Again, as we've stated, over and over, your assumption that nullsec is the minority is wrong. Nullsec is the majority.

For the first time in 10 years I did not vote.

I do think that it is better to have the CSM than not - just about.

But I simply could not be bothered to read up on and vote for people I have never heard of, who will be pretty much totally bound by NDAs not to disclose anything worth hearing until the information is out of date.

In any case, I believe that whoever was / is? elected this year, will put aside partisanship and work for the greater good of the whole game.

It probably doesn't help, that even though I'm currently based out of High, I voted for several candidates from outside of high in addition to a high-seccer or two.
Atypical for a high-sec player perhaps, but those I interact with may also be atypical.

I guess it could be enlightening to know how may players have just one character only in high, and only engaging in PVE unless made the opportunity of PVP.

What I'm getting at, is I'm wondering how big the "silent majority" is.

When the CSM started the voting system was very simple. It resulted in null sec heavy CSMs.

CCP change the voting system to STV, to "help the smaller communities". Result: A null sec heavy CSM....



Hmmm, why does this sound familiar? Of yea, now I remember. EVE had a POS based SOV system. It resulted in big groups dominating null. So they created Dominion Sov, with the idea of "opening up null sec to small groups".. Result: A null sec of EVEN BIGGER Groups, oh and renters. So then comes Aegis Sov, that will do the trick! Result: See Dominion Sov.


Or what about that high sec ganking/scamming/awoxing/bumping/war deccing problem. I know, lets add anchor rigs, safeties, safety pop ups, a switch to turn off awoxxing, new crime watch, revamps of things like contracts to kill some scams etc etc. Result: People are STILL complaining about those things, and still swearing that it is those bad things that are killing EVE (even though EVE was healthier before CCP started trying to Gerrymander the game to "protect the small people".

What is that....Is that a.... oh wait, yes it is, it is a DISCERNABLE PATTERN emerging. Could it be possible that no amount of jiggery-pookery of various game mechanics and systems and voting methods is going to make maladjusted, apathetic, asocial small group/solo/casual players not suck enough to overcome organized and intelligent opposition? Could it be that all that efforts and dev time and sub money was wasted because you can't fix stupid? Could it be that base human nature is going to win no matter what anyone does and the only thing to actually do is learn how people work and adapt yourself to that rather than pinning your hopes on the idea that some magical change by DEVs can fix problems for you?

Hmmmm. I shall ponder these questions and get back to you.

/sarcasm

i am actually grateful that you are a walking, talking proof that pubbies who whine about the csm underrepresenting highsec literally have no idea how the voting system works

Most people in null log in and just hit F1 when the FC says so, or rat/mine and dock up when a red comes in system. That's hardly engagement either. As a non-HS resident, representation on CSM should be proportional to the population that lives in that part of space. By character, not by player. That's a consequence of having HS alts.



You're proving my point. There should be a consequence of you hiding your alts risk-free in HS. That is less CSM representation. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Remember when people in null took risks? I 'member.

How are players on the Serenity server represented on the CSM or don't they count either ?