Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Then stop ignoring that in your proposals for "fixing" afk-cloaking and we don't have to remind you of it.

Of course he'll die. The typical stratios fit is active tank, neuts and drones. When he goes up against a passive fit VNI, there is no tank to turn off. So your neuts are pointless. There are no guns that will turn off either. And the VNI gets some nice drone bonuses.

And it is relatively cheap.

Actually, the argument is that both have to be dealt with at the same time or pretty much nearly so.

It's easy to agree with your alts.

Correct. Just like the correct play when local is empty is to not be in space unless you are in a PvP fleet. Part of effectively owning a system is ensuring that PvP fleets are operating at any time that you have PvE activities happening. Good alliances understand this and ensure that their operations are defended at all times, regardless of who is in local. And AFK cloaking is of very little value against them because there is never a weak spot for the AFK cloaker to exploit.



IOW, "wouldn't it be much more interesting if we could just press the 'kill cloaker' button, remove the cloaked ship, and get back to carebearing with maximum ISK per hour?". Of course this would be "more interesting" for the lazy carebears that infest 0.0, but it's a terrible design choice.

And, again, if one guy going AFK in your system shuts everything down then your alliance is incompetent trash that deserves to be evicted from 0.0. We don't need to coddle people like that and make it easier for them to hold their space, they should suffer the consequences of sucking and be stuck hiding in station until they finally ragequit back to highsec where they belong.



Again, as we have explained to you over and over again, the issue is not consent, it's that allowing cloaks to be countered removes virtually all of their value. If a cloaked ship can be hunted down and destroyed then there's very little point in bothering with the cloak, and you might as well trade your fragile and poorly armed covert ops ship for a HAC/combat recon/etc with better firepower/damage/ewar.

Besides, there's plenty of non-consent for people hunting PvE pilots. Have you ever tried setting a trap for them, and jumping them with a PvP fleet when they attempt to engage? That's killing them without their consent, and without nerfing cloaks into uselessness.

Actually no. A solo hunter might use probes, but probably not. And an AFK cloaker is not usually going to have probes out, and he has lulled you into a false sense of complacency he'll have all the time he needs to use d-scan to fine you.

So your reference to d-scan again highlights the fact you have never hunted with a cloak and do not know what you are talking about.

I prefer smaller corps rather then larger ones. And sadly its the smaller corps who don't have a lot of nolife experience in the game with deep connections that directly get hurt by cheese mechanics like this. There are instances were smaller corps like the ones I have been in have suffered to the point of not logging in at all when losses would outway the risks. If active promoted pvp was an option and action could be taken then it would have been the natural result of anti cloak camping. But there is non and the game itself forces a stalemate of turning people to the last option, turn the game off and go do something else.

Local might be linked to cloaking in k-space but not in w-space. If it was an intel tool then its lacking in wormhole space and yet perma cloaking still ruins wormhole life as well. Fixes to cloaking in that regard can be added to w-space on its own and if it works out then it could emigrate to k-space.

I don't think it would ruin the aspect of cloaking if combat probing would make it possible to probe down cloaked ships in w-space. The only difference should be that you would get a larger random distance deviation on the target. It would be harder to pin there exact fixed location and you would have to rescan and attempt to warp to zero multiple times before you would get lucky. Without local you would still need a cov-ops ship to combat probe so it would be a dedicated role and not an instant counter to cloaking.

TL.DR. Make cloaked ships combat probable in w-space with a higher scan result distance deviation then non-cloaked ships.

Being referred to as an idiot by you is a compliment, as per normal you leave out the meat on that point for a jaunty little dig, how progressive of you loser...

And by the way your suggestion about a group of VNI does not really work against people like PL, they just bring enough to kill them all, all well and good to say that without actually trying it, but that is typical of you.

Was it during the balance panel he asked the question? It would be honestly interesting to hear CCPs honest view to know why they are ignoring this subject. At this point its all we can ask for.

Ok, so now we're no longer talking about a single AFK cloaker shutting down your PvE indefinitely, we're talking about a significant fleet attacking with overwhelming numbers such that your attempt at defense has no hope of success. And yes, of course a major attack should be able to kill a modest PvE group.