Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So you would nerf the main selling points of the ship to add a unneeded gimmick? Change of the year....

Of course the main selling point of ANY ship is the tank/dps/EWAR it's going to bring to the table. It's not the "I can save 50m3 of space and not use a mobile depot", especially since you can already change your fit in space with minimal issues.


And yes, it is a gimmick, since the restrictions you'd have to put on it to make it balanced would mean the only people who actively use this new "power" are site-runners who like to get into dangerous places in their nearly uncatchable fits and then change into ratting fits and are too lazy to get a mobile depot with them.

It is a gimmick as every ship already can change their fit in space. That is what the mobile depot is for (as well as ships with the refitting service)

Even if it is a gimmick, it is a powerfull ability that will need to be balanced by (likely) drop the cargohold size to keep you from being able to have too many items with you as well as limiting when you are able to change your fit.

By the way, I think that your idea about limiting the refitting ability by limiting carrying capacity is not bad. However, I think this needs to be done using a special refitting bay, not the regular cargo bay. This way it will be easier to tweak the number of possible configurations a single ship can carry without tempering with its cargo capacity. This will also enable an easy way to trigger refitting timers.

These are valid points. I think that the restriction timer should be enhanced to cover all those situations, then.

I don't think so. The problem with a depot is that it blocks (in a non-interesting way) the ability to multi-fit in general. Timers are a more fine-tuned way to control specific scenarios where unfair advantages appear.

Your other concerns were discussed several times in this thread, but this one is new and it is important. From listening to the dev talk I got the impression that CCP's vision concerning T3Cs is exactly that - a single ship that changes its role continuously, in-flight. I think that this actually enhances and intensifies the element of choice rather than remove it. Should I fit for pvp now and try to overcome the opponents in the system I just entered, or should I use my travel configuration and try to escape? Should I help my fleet as a support ship, a DPS ship or an EWAR ship? Is it safe for me to fit as a pve ship in this system? The fact that I make my choices in space rather than in a station does not mean I have less of a choice.

The point of this forum is to discuss ideas that are not implemented yet, but should (or should not) be.
Regarding the nerf - read the thread. I have no problem with it if it comes, and things are already going to change drastically after the coming rebalance.

It does not, the space required is fairly minimal on all but the smallest ships and those are already the ones most able to abuse refitting in space by swapping between travel and combat fits because their travel fits are so effective. For any other ship the 50m3 of a depot is a far lower impact than the space required for the fitting.

What the depot does is require that you anchor something that can be shot and probed down and sit still in space while refitting. Both of these are mostly balanced trade-offs to the incredible power the ability to change your ship's capabilities on the fly gives you.

In order for any kind of fiat self-refitting ability on a T3 to be balanced it would need to be balanced against a T3 simply using a mobile depot, at which point it's probably flat out worse than just using the mobile depot, because it doesn't have that small trade-off and invites abuse, so why implement it in the first place?

And what you keep missing is that in order to balance this "fun" mechanic, CCP will likely make you sit in space for 2-5 minutes and you are unable to do anything while the timer is running.