EVE General Discussion

Why does CCP whatever they do? Perhaps because you don't change a running/winning system?

And perfect timing: CCP announces "Phenomenal PVE" and yet people mock about the lack of PVE content in a PVP game. Sitting in station and nothing happens. CCP halp please, do something.

I wonder how old you are, because tbh it seems like talking to a kid (kids always have unrealistic beliefs and ideas about things).

First of all, who needs to lie to you about being 'scared of change' in a video game? If EVE died tomorrow it would simply mean "welp, gonna play a lot more Warships and Elite for a while". It wouldn't be the end of the world. I am not saying don't change anything (and I'll assume some people agree with me), I am saying (takes deep breath):

#1. It's stupid to mess up something that doesn't need to be messed up just because you are bored.

#2. The pursuit of "new players" ie people who aren't mentally suited to what EVE is is also stupid because EVE is a niche game that attracts a certain crowd. If you want "more players" then you figure out ways to find more of those niche kinds of people, NOT regular MMO players who NEED "leveling up, gated content, and protection from non-consensual pvp".

Many of us are old enough to remember the games other companies ruined in their bad attempts to get "more players", and while the end of EVE wouldn't be the end of the world, we also don't want to watch CCP replicate that kind of idiocy.

#3. The accusation of being scared of change is a dodge by people who really don't want to understand the opposition to their idea. If a person was 'scared of change', then someone could try to hand them a million dollars in a suitcase and they'd run away because how dare you change my financial situation for the better lol.

When you say "change", we see through you, you mean "change it to something I would like, screw the people who like it now and have sustained it with subscription money for 14 years". Well, I don't like what you like, I like EVE and you like....things that aren't EVE.




The one thing I will never understand is the people who always call for new players seem to spend all their time here begging CCP to do something (usually things that CCP already tried that don't work, the "change" and "more players" people seem to have a blind spot where history is concerned). If you care so much, why aren't you recruiting people? Why aren't you looking for people to come play EVE? Where is the website you built that not only recruits more people into EVE, but has links to tutorials and new player resources?

My theory is that people who are always on about 'need more players' are actually responding to a feeling of anxiety that comes from the same place as those who say "EVE is dying". They think the game that they have 'invested so much time in' is going to shut down , and with it all their ingame items and ships. So like the bible thumping bum on the street corner, they start screaming "the end is nigh" so that someone (not them) will do something about it.

-- On this point, I agree whole heartedly. I have long said that Eve needs better players, not just more players. But it's a funnel- we need a ton of players to try Eve to find the few that will stay and contribute. That necessarily means we have a ton of those 'regular' MMO players as you put it.

The balance point is throwing a wide enough net to catch lots of players- the new player experience, outsized rewards for low end content, relative safety, etc. but also giving players a good enough experience to want to stay for the later content.

The problem is with most games you are ushered out of the newbie 'safe' areas. You cannot succeed in those games by staying in newbie places hiding behind the NPC guards.
But in Eve, that is the way the majority play. By far the richest players are the ones that never leave high sec, or even Jita most of the time. There is no progression in risk to match reward, so the game balance is thrown off by professional 'newbies' that have never stepped foot outside high sec, yet are the ones flying the billion isk ships and pods.

You can't have cries of 'but we're new and high sec needs to be safe' when that same space is occupied by even more high level characters in billion isk ships.

(sorry I veered off topic, but it's a related issue to what is a newbie and newbie content)

In response to the OP,

In the past few years, the game company wanted to recreate the golden age of EVE that players were flooding into the game and big battles were being fought among big alliances. They tried to make better structures, better war mechanic, better visual candies, but it seems that the previous magical effects have somehow lost its shimmer of halo. The player base has been shrinking at a gradual pace. We all know the game needs changes. However, the game is highly complex that the sovereignty, warfare, resources, production, structures, hulls, modules, and the market economy are entangled within a giant entity - New Eden. Whenever they want to change something, they have a good chance to break other things, in both gameplay levels and coding levels. EVE is the goose with the golden eggs for the company. They are very afraid of screwing it by making dramatic changes. They are trying to change the game a bit at a time and monitor what happens, and then change a bit further. The problem is whether they can find the holy grail before players lost their patience.

One idea I think worth trying is to set aside a small portion of space that has simpler sov mechanic, restricted to sub-cap ship fights, combat system similar to pvp tournament style. I mean a lighter version of sov gameplays that are more accessible to less hardcore players.

No, not just an arena. I mean a lighter version of sovereignty that has the characteristics of owning a piece of land, like putting your alliance logo on your structure and various enhancements(lighter) to your space.

This is exactly the model CCP has shifted to. You no longer see the big named expansions every year. Instead you see new features when they're ready and continual improvements and bug fixes to existing features.



Yes, if only there was some group (a council perhaps) that was made up of players who could advise them on stellar management. They could even call it the Council of Steller Management. That's a really great idea. They should do that. You're quite the genius to come up with that all on your own.

These aren't MY ideas - I'm simply pointing out that CCP already does what you're suggesting. Now if you want to move the bar and say, "Yeah, well they still aren't doing it right because...reasons" then that's another topic. You can't be "proven wrong" when you move the bar to a subjective measure like how well you personally think they're doing. They've already moved away from major releases and they have a CSM, so your original suggestions are moot.

It's so pathetic the way people stagger into these forums and act as if CCP is stupid and that the solutions that will make everybody happy are obvious. The solutions are NOT obvious and CCP is not stupid. But running this kind of an enterprise is hard. Things are not perfect and never will be. There are definitely things CCP can do better, but it's hard to fault the structural mechanisms they have in place or their general development philosophy.

All you're doing is handwaving the solutions. Since you agree that they already follow the general philosophy you were originally proposing, your issue is in the execution of those ideas. So what SPECIFICALLY would you change in terms of their content development? What SPECIFICALLY would you change in terms of the CSM?