EVE General Discussion

if you think safe spaces are a thing in EVE, then you're playing the wrong game DMC
Everyone knows that in EVE, there are only player rules (and the EULA)

Some of you are bringing up dropping average numbers on Tranquility. They do definitely seem to be returning to a pre-Ascension range at the moment. The reason I have read that the numbers dropped quite a bit in the past couple years or so has been partly due to the skill queue changes. There was a Dev I believe who brought this up in a past thread/blog and they had ideas on how to deal with it awhile back. The alpha clone idea was perhaps a way to stem the tide, but let's be honest here that it was also a way to bring in more content in whatever form for New Eden.

I don't think that the dropping numbers are solely due to any one thing really. Ganking and being wardec'd can suck I agree! I've been blown up many many times and it sucks to feel interrupted in your daily routine in a game. Some of these gankers care about profit, while others do not care at all and just want to inflate their Zkillboard stats. Yet, wardec'ing has become a bit tougher than it used to be in order to try and ensure you have a healthy range of targets to shoot. Even Wardec'ing someone itself could be for any number of reasons for all any of us know.

This game however relies on the players to do something. Everyone concerned can sit here and hope and beg CCP does something, or you can put together a group that starts something to counter this behavior. Some have already formed counter ganking groups in EVE, perhaps this is a new fight all could join in on. Perhaps it might be in certain groups interests to band together and form an alliance with their own ops, doctrines, and groups specializing in counter ganking and wardec'ing. You'd likely have a ton of content, and you'd also perhaps start to make a new chapter in EVE history. Maybe that isn't what you signed up for, but at least you'd be doing something to defend an area of space you care about as well as those within it.

I've seen people fight back against ganking so maybe some underestimate the 'carebears' that are willing to join such a group.

How to do this:

Build corporations out of alts and form an alliance. These alts don't care if they are wardec'd 24/7 and it doesn't interrupt your main activities.

Put together a website/forum/whatever where you can communicate with each other along with intel and chat channels.

Put together strategic doctrines to help you accomplish your goals, which you might not even need at first if you bring a fairly decent ship comp to start.

Train/recruit knowledgeable FC's

Add SRP, and with so many industrial corporations in high sec even receiving donated ships and modules probably won't be much of an issue to help replace losses.

Offer escorts, defense of wardec'ing, etc to aid others throughout all of high sec.

Build allies with other alliances that agree to come and help assist you as part of an agreement. Perhaps they don't like the guys you are fighting as well for their own reasons.

It's a game you know? I sometimes wonder if people even know what that is, a game.

And the more I read here on the forums, the more I appreciate, that my parents didn't spoil our fun playing "Mensch ärgere Dich nicht" with us as children.

Of course there may be some players, that delight in another player's misfortune. But eventually you get to know them. For all the rest out there, it's just a game...

so because we don't have your perfect point of view, we are losers now? hahahaha
please, go sit in the corner and refrain from talking

Maybe it is just a coincidence, but DecShield stopped being a thing in 2013 right? Maybe that has a part in it as well. But I'd be very interested to hear you're history of what happened and how it happened DMC. I wasn't around playing the game back then.
Was ganking not a thing back in 2013? Was High Sec too safe and others like CODE. decided to act?

Maybe there is a Wiki somewhere with a detailed rich history in how this all really got started. If it truly is the reason for less logging in, then it would be good to see some proof.

Interesting thanks for the info and response. If it's lack of diversity then I wonder how CCP could improve upon that, or us as players if at all possible.

I would agree with you, if it is was not so F'''''''''' easy to avoid loosing ships. When I started EVE, i did half a day of research (Different Videos, Eveuni etc.) and learned everything about D-scan, MWD+cloak and using a scout. There is really no excuse for loosing a ship if you don't want to. So if people looses ships, it is their own fault.

And this part is just an outright lie.

It's easy for both side to point at stuff as the cause for the downfall but nobody actually has the actual good info which would be the player who quit telling why they quit. Unless someone actually has that info, everybody can call BS on anyone else's claim. Anybody looking for a silver bullet reason why people started leaving is more than likely wrong. With the total number of changes begin done to the game over time, there is a **** load of individual reasons why someone can quit but they all end up in the same bucket of people who quit no matter what their own reason was. It's a rather small niche they are occupying so for all we know, 40k might have been over what can actually be sustained for a game like that.

You read the forum so you know just as much as me there is also part of the population who wold be gone no matter what if it wasn't of the investment already done in it. If you were to remove those eternally unhappy people because they obvioulsy don't belong here in a game they dislike, the numbers might be even worse except wee don't want that to happen because EVE won't continue once we drop below a certain point. No matter how much the devs says they love this game and are passionate about it, I'm pretty sure a large group of them would leave if they had to do it on their own $$$ because the game can't sustain itself.

In the mean time, the bleed is real and the upcoming changes will need to be positive of both the actual player base and upcoming newbies for the subs to stabilize. You can't live forever on your "core" client base because their life change from new jobs and responsibilities to taste changes in entertainment all the way to the deep end with sad stuff like death. The question is, is the market drained for this type of game and changes are needed to get replacement or is it not tapped and just a question of time before people find out about this game. Where are the player who want this kind of game but somehow haven't found it? And if they haven't found it yet, will they ever find their way in "EVE Online: The sandbox with no player direction"? These people will have to be reached somehow for the trend to downward trend to stop. If it's not with game changes because EVE has to stay EVE, then it will have to be in a different way.

I asked you to specifically address my points regarding how easy it actually is to avoid wardecs and ganking, not have a massive cry and throw your toys out of the pram.

My request still stands :

Please submit reasons why you think easily avoidable situations are breaking the game. Please don't claim once again that you don't need to explain because it's pretty clear that you do. I also don't think you actually know how long I've been playing, but since it makes no difference I'll let it slide. The dates you listed with regard to player decline actually match pretty perfectly with CCP starting to make EvE safer, causing the decline potentially.

Most of all please stay calm, it's just a game