EVE General Discussion

Never seen a titan, go to the Amarr trade hub. There are 4 of them parked there right now.

2 Cents.

Lets look at the uses of capitals and judge if they need to be in highsec.

Carriers: Annoying little ***** that can be at range and have projected EWar/DPS. Counter to them is 1 ECM frigate.

Dreadnoughts: DPS to large/umoving objects. Yes I know high angle guns are cool, Bship gangs still do it better.

Super Carriers: Carrier with the ability to replace a Hictor.

Titan: 100 Billion isk stargate.

Conclusion?
I wouldn't mind having titans in highsec, logistics would be awesome! But would break the game. Jump drives would remove the need for any other haulers if cyno's were allowed in highsec.

Capitals are/will not ever be allowed in highsec. Unless a Dev post says otherwise.

EDIT: Fax Machines.... Logi is nice but meh, get a bowhead.

Then why did you start this thread in the first place? Just to be an argumentative SOB?

People have tried explaining to you why caps were removed from high sec back in the day but, you don't accept CCP's reasons for doing so. Seems like a personal issue to me.

This is called answering your own question I mean, sure it's true,., but damn lol.

Irony thy name is Beast of Revelations.

But to do you the phenomenal courtesy of assuming you asked your question in good faith and not just because you love a pointless argument, the reason you're getting jumped on is three fold.

1) The way you asked the initial question.
Your opening post frankly reads like a little kid stomping into a room, loudly declaring 'this thing I don't like is stupid' and then wondering why everyone isn't instantly agreeing with him. Theres no support for your points or explanation of your reasoning, just vague declarations that you dont like something.

2) Poor reasoning and cherrypicking of responses.
The reasons you've given to support your arguments both in the initial post and throughout the thread have betrayed a fundamental lack of knowledge about the subject, in this case capital ships and the effects they have on gameplay, which you've shown no inclination to correct. As several people have already said you have also been cherry picking only those points you have a response for and ignoring the rest, even when what you chose to ignore fundamentally undermines the argument you then try and make.

3) If you arent a troll you sure talk a lot like one.
A lot of the rhetorical techniques you've been trying to use in the latter part of the thread are very similar if not identical to those used by trolls and others who don't argue in good faith. The cherrypicking, the declaration that suddenly the subject doesnt matter to you, the accusations flung at other users, these and other things you have said and done make you ping on peoples troll radars even if that isnt what you intended.

Might want to think about these things if you want to actually have productive discussions rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again.

CCP needs to consider bringing Caps back into high sec. I don't think CONCORD has caps, maybe they should to counter cap ship gankers in a effectively short amount of time. From what I understand, it's an idea that kinda on the table with CCP, but low priority. Still, I think it should happen .

Also, I agree with the OP, there are a lot of smoke and mirror arguments that can just be summed up with "who cares".

I just sat here and read his opening post, and re-read it after reading what you said. I saw nothing of a little kid stomping into a room. I also saw nothing of him wondering why everyone isn't instantly agreeing with him. You are seeing what you want to see.

Or, perhaps you are seeing what HE wants you to see? The Great Beast , The Very Form of Maleficence. Lies and deceit and misdirection incarnate.


He explained so-called 'cherrypicking' to my satisfaction. He's not gonna respond to any and everything. He's going to do what everyone else does. Respond to thing here or there as time allows, as opportunity for 'most bang for the buck' presents itself, etc.

As for poor reasoning, I disagree. From his point of view, it isn't about what you and a few others call 'reasoning' (meaning, the ability or inability of capships to run high-sec missions, whether a capship could be successfully ganked, force projection from high-sec, blah blah). He put forth a perspective. He spoke of cognitive dissonance in the grand design of things, and of doublethink.

I'm not saying you have to agree with anything he said. I'm just saying that in such case, it's better to say "I disagree with what you said," not "you're a cherrypicker, you're a little kid stomping around, you're a troll, etc."


I don't think he's stated he has a high-level knowledge on any of this. In fact, by asking the question "why no capships in high-sec?" he's admitting he doesn't. Again, for him it is all a matter of perspective, of hypocrisy at the very heart of the design, which causes band-aid solutions to be applied by people who put their fingers in their ears and say "la la la...". Again, for him it is a matter of cognitive dissonance, of doublethink, of having one's cake and eating it too, of open sandbox or not open sandbox, of artificial constraining rules or not having artificial constraining rules.


I don't have my "troll handbook" nearby, but from what I can gather it appears others are trolling, not him.

The word is severely overused, here and elsewhere. Having a point of view you disagree with isn't trolling. It's having a point of view you disagree with.


Ah, because you're the adult in the room, right? You're the one in control? Go ahead, wag your finger in the Great Beast's face. Dare to think you can give him instruction, guidance, correction.

What arrogance. What insolence.

"Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before the fall." -Proverbs 16:18.

One day you'll smoke a turd in hell for your hubris.

I can understand being embarassed by your own posts so you switch to an alt, but referring to yourself in the third person?

Pure dickhead.

Exactly. I suspect that's partly the reason why caps require an alliance's war chest to build: not just because they're ZOMGHUEG, but because it makes them proportionately rare compared to battleships, which are as common as blades of grass on a temperate planet. I didn't see my first dread up close until last year (and I've been playing since January 2015): I was in lowsec Domain and just happened to be in the right place at the right time for some dude to drop a Naglfar right next to the station. I told him "don't mind me, just having a look at the dread".

Well at least in a very roundabout way he did answer the question, by effectively admitting he has no intention of discussing anything in good faith, so I'm not going to waste any more time on him.