EVE General Discussion

I blame you that the bears won all 3 incursions! Now I have to go to therapy so they can harvest my tears

While you're waiting, you should take up knitting. At least you'll have a lot of new sweaters, mittens and scarves when CCP eventually gets around to telling everyone to "HTFU!"

And if he's lucky, one of them could rise to be a leader of one of the most loved/reviled Alliances and a member of the CSM!

I put my money on the MoM killers getting bored first.

As a game feature to attract new players, Incursions are an excellent piece of work. They fix the most fundamental problem of the new player experience - a lack of safe and social interaction that is fun. Incursions introduce players to the social aspect of EVE gameplay; fleet ops. The barriers to entry for doing incursions are low. They require teamwork, and there is an element of risk (esp if you are new). These are all great things for getting new players to join the EVE universe, allowing corporations and alliances to recruit more bodies and allowing the game universe to thrive.

However, for whatever reason (read: tears), a number of older players dislike the fact that this new game feature presents itself as an attractive activity by promising a safe and secure risk-reward ratio. Most importantly, the feature also presents itself as a direct competitor to traditional fleet operations. The size of HQ/MOM fleets provides a social experience that was previously reserved solely by gang running, and the speed and efficiency of Assault/Vanguard fleets makes them a welcome substitute to endless Plexing/WH games in 00.

In order to preserve the status quo, those parties interested in preventing incursion-running in high security space are closing incursions at the earliest possibility. Incidentally, those very same individuals will happily keep incursions open and on farm in their own local, provided they can shoot at whatever comes their way. This is their method of preserving the status quo and ensuring that they have enough members to run fleet ops by preventing those members from participating in highsec incursion fleets. While this kind of systematic 'tantrum' is part of the sandbox experience and would otherwise seem perfectly acceptable, their attempt to ensure that incursions remain in low/null contradicts the fundamental design goal to have incursions be a new and accessible feature.

The safest and easiest compromise on this matter is incidentally the most straight forward. Incursions need to be altered so that sites cannot be taken down as quickly as they are going down at this point in time. They also need to be modified so that the payout for smaller fleet sizes is either reduced, or so that the difficulty for those sites is increased. An emphasis should be placed on Assault/HQ fleets, as these are complicated to organize and achieve the design goal with more fidelity than the smaller more rag-tag Vanguard fleets. It is also counter-intuitive that Vanguards would pay out more than Assault/HQs. Finally, Incursion spawns for highsec and nullsec should automatically 'rollover' when other incursions close to preserve an even highsec/nullsec ratio. This would effectively prevent the 'griefing' of incursions and, in doing so, allow new players to experience the content and learn about fleet ops.

Hopefully in the future incursions will be a well accepted draw of the EVE experience. I welcome the opportunity to introduce new players to the game, to continue to build our subscriber base, and, ultimately, to have fun.

Thanks for reading and fly safe pilots.

- Jo

Then drop the reward to 10M ISK per hour, and the problem with the Interdiction goes away. The safe, social aspect is still there. The risk equals the reward.

As if mining moon goo is more dangerous than incursions. The elite thing is so pathetic it would be funny if not for the hypocricy.

Try and be serious for a change; it might do you some good. A mining ops can make more than 10M isk per hour per head, as can basic mission running. So much for a social experience in EVE online, the game where you can fire lasers at rocks together! ******* hoo-ray.

I would but they banned me and 42 of my 53 alts \P/

Okay. The hourly reward from HIGHSEC incursions should be no more than the average hourly reward doing level 4 missions. The hourly reward from doing LOWSEC incursions should be 25% more than HIGHSEC. The reward for doing NULLSEC incursions should be 35% more than HIGHSEC.