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[May] CONCORD Aerospace Promotional Ships

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Stridsflygplan
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#141 - 2017-04-13 01:40:11 UTC
Ci'Fera wrote:
Just for the sake of it. http://i.imgur.com/njVAIBW.png While not a serious fit it can put out decent damage.


Nice Moa fit you have there.
Stridsflygplan
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#142 - 2017-04-13 01:44:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Stridsflygplan
Ci'Fera wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Ci'Fera wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Few small tweaks:

Slightly increased mass for the Pacifier and Enforcer
Slightly improved inertia modifier for the Pacifier
All the projectile damage bonuses swapped to RoF


Any specific reason for ROF over alpha?


A tad more dps is my guess.


I would think 5% damage would put out the same as 5%rate of fire?


25% RoF = 1 / 0.75 = 1.33 = 33% damage bonus
25% RoF vs 25% Damage = 1.33 / 1.25 = 1.064 = 6.4% more damage
Ci'Fera
State War Academy
Caldari State
#143 - 2017-04-13 04:35:10 UTC
Stridsflygplan wrote:
Ci'Fera wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Ci'Fera wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Few small tweaks:

Slightly increased mass for the Pacifier and Enforcer
Slightly improved inertia modifier for the Pacifier
All the projectile damage bonuses swapped to RoF


Any specific reason for ROF over alpha?


A tad more dps is my guess.


I would think 5% damage would put out the same as 5%rate of fire?


25% RoF = 1 / 0.75 = 1.33 = 33% damage bonus
25% RoF vs 25% Damage = 1.33 / 1.25 = 1.064 = 6.4% more damage


Thats actually good to know! and yes, good call on the Moa fit, What I based it on. :)
Hairpins Blueprint
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#144 - 2017-04-13 10:57:43 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Reserved



Muh Mistery Code? Hello we are still here :<
Capqu
Half Empty
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#145 - 2017-04-13 14:56:37 UTC
Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
#146 - 2017-04-13 19:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Helene Fidard
I guess the real joke here is that the compensation for the overdue Mordus' nerf is T2 ultragimmick Mordus ships.

Oh well.

~

A little bit more detail on these ships:
- They can fit covert cloaks and cynos despite being combat capable
- They get the Angel warp speed bonus, making them each the fastest warping ships in their size class. The frigate might have the second fastest warp in the game.
- The cruiser and battleship have the Mordu "tackle all the things!" scram range bonus, but this time with a web range bonus for good measure
- That active rep bonus (lol)

The really egregious one, though, is the black ops. In addition to the snowflake bonuses above, compared to a real black ops they have 3 more slots, far more PG and CPU (+50%/+35%, on average), and twice the sensor strength. The only saving grace there is that without drones, their damage output is dubious.

Like Crazy Vania said, not much of this would matter if the ships were truly limited edition, but apparently they won't be.

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Ci'Fera
State War Academy
Caldari State
#147 - 2017-04-13 20:20:14 UTC
Capqu wrote:
BOMB LAUNCHER PLEASE GOD


I would think for the frigate it would be cool if it had a bonus to void bombs, Make it a little more unique than the other bombers.
Capqu
Half Empty
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#148 - 2017-04-15 11:27:30 UTC
Ci'Fera wrote:
Capqu wrote:
BOMB LAUNCHER PLEASE GOD


I would think for the frigate it would be cool if it had a bonus to void bombs, Make it a little more unique than the other bombers.


NO

JUST THE LAUNCHER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Ci'Fera
State War Academy
Caldari State
#149 - 2017-04-15 20:23:11 UTC
Capqu wrote:
Ci'Fera wrote:
Capqu wrote:
BOMB LAUNCHER PLEASE GOD


I would think for the frigate it would be cool if it had a bonus to void bombs, Make it a little more unique than the other bombers.


NO

JUST THE LAUNCHER

Momma must have not taught you indoor voices.
Jimy F
Strategic Isks Investments Corporation
#150 - 2017-04-18 12:35:30 UTC
its look like they decide to throw logic of balance out of window, it's the shame they sems to throw logic out the window one to many times

BS have the same dps that other Black Ops and have also ewar bonus without damage reduction (like Widow), and have 2 more slots than any other Black Ops or T2 or Faction BS, and have maruder tank bonus

and bonus depending on security status? seriusly?

and it is very hard pay to win

please get some other devs make this ships

i very don't like what happen here
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#151 - 2017-04-18 18:02:40 UTC
As promo ships, I think these are just fine. Like the SoCT stuff, they are kind of absurd, but as promo ships, I think that's alright.

I think making them promo ships in the first place is a HUGE missed opportunity, though.
The standard faction ship lineup has some holes that still need to be filled. Of the current lineup, there are two factions for the Gallente-Minmatar and Gallente-Caldari skill pairings; Gallente-Amarr, Caldari-Ammar and Amar-Minmatar only have one ship for each skill pairing

Stats aside (ie. whether or not the ships you can fly are actually worth flying), this means Gallente ship skills have the most variety attached, but more importantly, there are still ZERO SHIPS that can be flown with only Caldari and Minmatar skills.

I've thought for a while that EoM would be a good fit for a second Caldari-Amar pairing, and Ammatar would be an ideal fit for another Ammar-Minmatar pairing, but that still leaves the missing Caldari-Minmatar pairing with nothing. Having come up with this CONCORD Aerospace group who is giving away ships, there was the perfect opportunity to fill this gap. Instead we are getting more exclusive ships tied to specific events.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#152 - 2017-04-19 06:17:02 UTC
It would have been cool to give out those ships to Mystery Code owners as well.

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Empress FriedEgg
Hijo de la Luna
#153 - 2017-04-19 20:09:41 UTC
Altrue wrote:
It would have been cool to give out those ships to Mystery Code owners as well.


The Mystery Code is dead, get over it
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#154 - 2017-04-19 20:56:21 UTC
Wonder if the Council Diplomatic Shuttle would get the new Pacifier model too?
Ci'Fera
State War Academy
Caldari State
#155 - 2017-04-20 02:18:24 UTC
Vorll Minaaran wrote:
Wonder if the Council Diplomatic Shuttle would get the new Pacifier model too?

Yes..it will.
YokeM Tessarn
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#156 - 2017-04-20 12:28:37 UTC
I was really exited when I saw the new ships and the ability to fit them with whatever weapon system I want. I also like the designs so far. But making them promotional only...

You see, I`m one of these high sec player, who really enjoy jumping into the game from time to time, kill some npc rats and then log off satisfied. Now I see those ships, which get a big bonus from me doing what I really enjoy. But you see, I won`t be able to fly the ship, because I can`t replace it if I lose it.

This is something you teach in one of your first lessons: Don`t fly anything you can`t replace.
I can already see what will happen, if I undock with one of them:
"Oh see, he flys a concord hull, let`s suicide gank him, just to **** him off".

Please make them available via LP store.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#157 - 2017-04-20 12:52:16 UTC
YokeM Tessarn wrote:
I was really exited when I saw the new ships and the ability to fit them with whatever weapon system I want. I also like the designs so far. But making them promotional only...

You see, I`m one of these high sec player, who really enjoy jumping into the game from time to time, kill some npc rats and then log off satisfied. Now I see those ships, which get a big bonus from me doing what I really enjoy. But you see, I won`t be able to fly the ship, because I can`t replace it if I lose it.

This is something you teach in one of your first lessons: Don`t fly anything you can`t replace.
I can already see what will happen, if I undock with one of them:
"Oh see, he flys a concord hull, let`s suicide gank him, just to **** him off".

Please make them available via LP store.


One solution could be: Get two of each, only fly them until you lose them.

As long as you always keep one in reserve, your problem is solved. P
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
#158 - 2017-04-21 21:19:12 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

The logic in 2 is because 10.0 sec status is a legacy item, and not available in normal circumstances to newer players. So 'Get more bonuses if you were grandfathered into the new sec status system, or if you happen to be in the fairly unique position to still force it through today through rounding errors around officer rats' is not a good thing for them to be doing. 5.0 is the nominal maximum you can get to these days.


Don't the characters that offer one-time sec status gains still exist?

I haven't done them. I've killed 2 officers in my time and had 5.1 before that point.

I don't know what I did to get it this high, but I never actively tried.

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#159 - 2017-04-21 21:49:26 UTC
Empress FriedEgg wrote:
Altrue wrote:
It would have been cool to give out those ships to Mystery Code owners as well.


The Mystery Code is dead, get over it


Then CCP should actually say it, instead of wishing we'd stop talking about it!
Kaydren Orlenard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2017-04-22 04:11:39 UTC
Finally there will be a legitimate reason for being a law-abiding citizen in New Eden...