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Easier way for logi to get on killmails

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perseus skye
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2017-04-12 15:16:33 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
perseus skye wrote:


Edit - I Am not a killboard poser ,I do not require a badge for every kill made but it would be nice to have a look back at my history within eve and be reminded of previous moments I have been part of ,this is why killboards work for me anyways


You don't need badges for your kill but you want to look back at those badges later to remember? How does that even work?


Forgive me and other logi pilots for wanting equal credit for fighting equally on the same battlefield as yourself ... I could quote many other game where credit is given for being a logi or medic
It's also like a said before a great reminder for people like myself with terrible memory but I'm sure you are such a true purist you never ever check your own killboard šŸ˜½
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2017-04-12 15:21:26 UTC
perseus skye wrote:
I could quote many other game where credit is given for being a logi or medic


Go ahead.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#43 - 2017-04-12 15:46:53 UTC
If a corp doesn't want a logi pilot because he doesn't have good stats, that's their loss.

My alt was the first logi pilot in a small fw group. Id say we flew roughly twice a week for a year. So 100 roams. I'd sometimes fly solo logi whilst the rest flew dps.

I got few kills and only two logi losses, one exeq and one onerios, yet i pulled their arses out the fire on a number of occasions.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Senjiu Kanuba
Risk Breakers
SONS of BANE
#44 - 2017-04-12 21:32:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Senjiu Kanuba
Frostys Virpio wrote:
perseus skye wrote:
I could quote many other game where credit is given for being a logi or medic


Go ahead.


Heroes of the Storm, League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, Battlefield (any), Overwatch (I assume, never played it).
Happy now?

Quote:
Easier way for logi to get on killmails


Uh....arebyoubserious...throw combat drones into drone bay...laumch combat drones from drone bay into space. Make sure you have hostile target locked and tell drones to engage hostile targets. So easy a 2 year old could do it.


You never had someone smartbomb your drones (with combat drones)? Or you never had to warp to a different celestial and continue to fight there, leaving your sentry (or other drones) behind? You alwys fight within drone control range? Well, lucky you.
Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2017-04-12 22:08:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Dimitrios Bekas
Logis should get on Killmails without the need of assigning combat drones or fitting a whore gun. Thats not the purpose of a Logiship/Pilot. But Logipilots have a hard time to be reckognized on zkillchecks (by any players) and also, they donĀ“t get that positive feedback from their killboard (ahh nice, in the last fleet fight i got on 34Killmails).

There also is no stat about how much they repped recorded.

How about this.

You rep one of your allies for one cycle. For the next 15mins you get on every Killmail that your Ally also kills.Its the same timer a normal dps ship gets. Plus. If that ally dies, you are also shown on his killmail, but not with a damage Number. It shows how much HP you repped him (in green Numbers on zkill as an example).

Sure this "double" Killmail Feature would make your ISK ratio go up. But who cares ? You whore on 2 Keepstars and 3 Titans with your Travelceptor, DoubleSensor Booster, Civilian Gatling Gun Fit and your Ratio is 98%...You fly a Bomber and whore on Killmails.

Zkillstats should not be the issue here. Or that LogiPilots get on Killmails without dealing any dps is not fair...

The Benefit of that "double killmail" feature could easily feed others information that this killboard here is a mainly Logipilot focussed.
With Killmails and approx "Awox" Killmails generated in Guardians or Kirins. Top 10 favourite Ships used under the stats tab on zkill would reflect that this toon is truly a logipilot.

If the "getting on Friendly Killmails with the amount repped in green numbers" is too much...then just keep the amount repaired by the Logipilot, and shown on his Killboard as one Number that keeps going up, without getting an Entry on the friendly Lossmail.

Sure, people could undock and keep repping a Alt Account in a cap stable deimos, while it gets shot by someone else in a slicer.
But again, who cares if someone has 2Trillion Repaired HP Numbers enlisted on Zkill.

The whole idea of getting Logipilots somehow on Killmails, is so they also have a "good feeling" while checking stats or their killboard. And for logipilots it is more important to gaze at Stats how much they repaired a target or tried to save them with overheated reppz, than whoring on Killmails.

Well, thatĀ“s what i believe... :)
Senjiu Kanuba
Risk Breakers
SONS of BANE
#46 - 2017-04-12 22:16:48 UTC
Thanks, that's pretty close to a suggestion made by another player earlier and I would prefer that over my suggestion.
My suggestion was simply something that doesn't require a new mechanic to be invented and patches up the problem.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#47 - 2017-04-12 22:31:21 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
I never have and I never will understand this obsession of using your main character to post with. Ideas should be judged based on the idea itself, they should not be judged based on the character that was used to post it.
Character age is rendered useless because we can buy and sell characters on a market place.


"Never write something you aren't willing to sign your name to" A good rule in life, a good rule in EVE. Take ownership of what you say.

It's against the TOS to lie about purchasing a character on the bazaar, so that part's irrelevant.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#48 - 2017-04-13 12:30:39 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
And why should you be taken seriously if you're afraid to post with your main?

I never have and I never will understand this obsession of using your main character to post with. Ideas should be judged based on the idea itself, they should not be judged based on the character that was used to post it.
Character age is rendered useless because we can buy and sell characters on a market place.


One of OP's argument was that lack of killboard stats when flying logi could prevent him from joining a corp...

So what does posting with your main have to do with kill board stats, or joining or corp for that matter?
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#49 - 2017-04-13 12:52:06 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
I never have and I never will understand this obsession of using your main character to post with. Ideas should be judged based on the idea itself, they should not be judged based on the character that was used to post it.
Character age is rendered useless because we can buy and sell characters on a market place.


"Never write something you aren't willing to sign your name to" A good rule in life, a good rule in EVE. Take ownership of what you say.

It's against the TOS to lie about purchasing a character on the bazaar, so that part's irrelevant.

No one on these forums signs their name to what we write, because no one uses their real names we ALL hide behind our in-game characters.
How do you know if a character is a main or not?
In a game that allows each person to have multiple accounts how do you define the term "main"?
Even with an API and the checks that allows how do you know if a character is actually that account holders "main"?
I choose this character to be my public face here on these forums, is he my "main" character? Or just one of many.

Oh and about that TOS thingy, nice try but there is nothing in the TOS that requires you to release information regarding a character and whether you created it or purchased it from the market.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2017-04-13 13:29:39 UTC
Senjiu Kanuba wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
perseus skye wrote:
I could quote many other game where credit is given for being a logi or medic


Go ahead.


Heroes of the Storm, League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, Battlefield (any), Overwatch (I assume, never played it).
Happy now?



So out of your example, you have 3 MOBA which are completely different from EVE, a FPS where healing is essentially used as stat padding by dropping a healing bag then picking back your weapon and fight like an infantry unit and a MMO where the best way to get noticed for how much healing you do it to make sure your group make some misstakes or botch up a CC chain.

That's a great list.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2017-04-13 13:32:04 UTC
Dimitrios Bekas wrote:
Logis should get on Killmails without the need of assigning combat drones or fitting a whore gun. Thats not the purpose of a Logiship/Pilot. But Logipilots have a hard time to be reckognized on zkillchecks (by any players) and also, they donĀ“t get that positive feedback from their killboard (ahh nice, in the last fleet fight i got on 34Killmails).



Ah nice, my team didn't get 34 loss mails last fight.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2017-04-13 13:33:52 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
And why should you be taken seriously if you're afraid to post with your main?

I never have and I never will understand this obsession of using your main character to post with. Ideas should be judged based on the idea itself, they should not be judged based on the character that was used to post it.
Character age is rendered useless because we can buy and sell characters on a market place.


One of OP's argument was that lack of killboard stats when flying logi could prevent him from joining a corp...

So what does posting with your main have to do with kill board stats, or joining or corp for that matter?


It's mostly funny to me because when they did, people posting on their main confirmed they are not unable to join PvP corps even if they don't get KMs while flying logi.
Senjiu Kanuba
Risk Breakers
SONS of BANE
#53 - 2017-04-14 17:43:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Senjiu Kanuba
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Senjiu Kanuba wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
perseus skye wrote:
I could quote many other game where credit is given for being a logi or medic


Go ahead.


Heroes of the Storm, League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, Battlefield (any), Overwatch (I assume, never played it).
Happy now?



So out of your example, you have 3 MOBA which are completely different from EVE, a FPS where healing is essentially used as stat padding by dropping a healing bag then picking back your weapon and fight like an infantry unit and a MMO where the best way to get noticed for how much healing you do it to make sure your group make some misstakes or botch up a CC chain.

That's a great list.



Okay, your turn. Name six multiplayer games where healers exist but there is no credit given for healing. Or, since you seem to have something against MOBAs, let's leave them out of this and you only have to name three games but they aren't supposed to be "completely different from eve" (honestly, please name one game besides eve that ISN'T completely different from eve).

Also, for everyone against it, I've asked about that on the first page of the thread already. Please provide an argument (or multiple arguments) why the proposed change would be problematic.
Like I said, the only argument (if you want to call it that) I heard so far was "stop caring about killboards!".
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#54 - 2017-04-14 19:46:57 UTC
... add logistics interdiction modules that reduce effectiveness of reps upon a target. fit to logis, make your choice go full rep or add this one mod that assists in larges fights. (supers not imune)
Senjiu Kanuba
Risk Breakers
SONS of BANE
#55 - 2017-04-14 20:31:40 UTC
Eh, that doesn't really solve the problem. I mean, it solves the things that can be done against drones, true, but I doubt you'd want that to have more than 60km range, right?
Ramukan
Radiation Sickness
#56 - 2017-04-14 22:53:08 UTC
Jakob Dabrowski wrote:
Hey,

I noticed on the stream today that you mentioned for the anti-headshot-ships that you're aware that they want to get on killmails too. That's great, one of the cool things about eve is that your actions have permanent consequences and one of those is that you can track your progress on killboards.

Logi have a similar problem. I'm aware that you can't give them more slots or fitting room because that would simply be used for better tank / ECCM / more cap. So we use drones, which is fine for small fights.
In larger fights drones have a few disadvantages: The distances are bigger so the targets are often either outside of drone control range or the drones don't get there in time. Or they get smartbombed or die to PDS of a citadel.
So you can use sentry drones. The problem with those is that you often have to leave them behind and when you fight somewhere else you don't have any of them left, because only the Oneiros (and Exequror) has the room to carry two of them in its drone bay.

So my suggestion is to increase the drone bay on logistic ships (to maybe 100mĀ³) and increase the drone control range (by 25km or so). Maybe reduce the damage and EWar effectiveness of the drones by 20% or so to compensate, if you're worried that the logistics ships get too much versatility with that. I'm not really worried about logistics drones, I don't see them used very often outside of the alliance tournament. (And if they have the time to travel 80km to a target that needs repairs then they're probably not needed that desperately anyway)


If i remember correctly WOW put in a mechanic that: If a person you healed killed another person within a certain time period you got credit as well. This would be a much more elegant way to add your name to kills without you needing to be playing around with drones in combat JUST to get on kills.
Senjiu Kanuba
Risk Breakers
SONS of BANE
#57 - 2017-04-15 21:42:01 UTC
Eh, not exactly. I remember getting honor in battlegrounds just for being nearby, not having done anything (yet) to contribute to the fight. But that's beside the point, I'd like to focus on the problem at hand and stop getting sidetracked like the last two pages in the threat.

This is a typical larger engagement in nullsec, one side are the kills a logi pilot got, the other side are the ones a Tengu pilot got. Guess which is which:
https://s22.postimg.org/yhajrgfmn/Guess_which_side_is_logi.png
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