Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a **** argument. I am not one of those people who really cares, but I also do understand that a lot of people do - bottom line is, you don't get to dictate what's fun for other people. For a lot of people looking at their KB seems to bring enjoyment, so I don't see why this shouldn't also be the case for logi pilots.

And the people flying with you that don't lose any ships because they had you as logi know what you did and appreciate you without your keyboard.

If they care that much about their killboard, they can fly DPS or shitfit their logi boat with a whore gun or something equally stupid.

On the surface, this looks like a good solution. In actuality, you would only be showing the Logistics who were ultimately unsuccessful. If I do my job well as a Logistics pilot, there will not be any friendly loss mails.

If it could be done in a way that excessive server load was not as issue, I would recommend adding a special effect to the remote armor repair, shield transfer, energy transfer modules, remote sensor boosting, and tracking link modules. When you activate one of those modules on on a target attacking someone, it flags you on that kill mail. It also shows how much EHP you repaired on the friendly ship. Now, if I use neutral Logistics to keep myself alive, it appears on my kill mails. If I want to see who my useful Logistics pilots are, I now have a direct measurement for that effectiveness.

First question: Please explain how you would do the contest thing without a public killboard.
Second question: Because of the arguments.

I would immensely prefer FT Diomedes' solution! I just thought of one that is weaker and would work with the current game mechanics (because drone control range boni are a thing, drone damage modifiers are a thing and different sizes of dronebays are a thing.

I am aware of the exeq being used more in small gang warfare. In larger engagements it is almost exclusively Guardians because their tank is more important than the drone bay.

What should I unfit? The propmod or the sensor booster? There are only two midslots.
I also fly Scimitars and occasionally Basilisks. They suffer from the same problems.
The thing is, in a meta where you need all your tank to not get alpha'd off the field you can't simply drop a field extender or an invuln for some ewar.

Okay, I posted with my main. So now take me seriously and start posting some actual arguments. Unless you have none because you don't actually do PvP (at least not in the last six months...).
So what would be the problem with the suggested change? Do you see a way this could lead to something being overpowered? Or do you have a problem with giving logi something to do when there's nothing to repair and them getting on killmails?
Because so far the only argument that you all brought was "stop caring about killboards" which, as Murkar Omaristos pointed out, is a **** argument. I'm simply ignoring the "Shitfit your ship to not be useful" because I'm not taking it seriously. If that is the way you feel I feel sorry for your alliance.
Let people care about what they want. Oh and the other argument was FT Diomedes' "this isn't the perfect way to fix the problem" - which, as I pointed out above already, is true and I'd prefer his fix for it but I think mine is easier to accomplish.

Oh, and one more thing:

I don't get the part about not using the keyboard but I think I get the general idea. It's true for small fleets when you know the two logi pilots you have with you. But it's hard to be appreciated when you're part of a logi cloud with 20+ logi in them and the Battleships die before you can lock them anyway (nevermind finishing a repair cycle). At least let the records show that you were there!

Edit: Now I get the idea behind that keyboard thing! But I don't get why I can't be friends with people and want to get on killmails. You can probably be friends with other people too and care about stuff.

Edit2: I'm fairly certain the people using logi drones in their logistics are a minority. Out of all Guardians that died on april 10th
- 4 had Hobgoblin II in their dronebay
- 4 died without drones in the bay but had Warrior IIs in their last logi loss with drones
- 3 had Hull Maintenance bots
- 2 had armor maintenance bots
- 1 had an empty drone bay but had EC-Hornets in another guardian loss a few days earlier
- 6 had Warrior II drones
- 1 had.. a mix of faction combat drones
- 1 had two armor maintenance bots and one Valkyrie II
- 1 didn't have any drones in any of his last logi losses (I didn't bother going further back than his last 350 losses to check)
- 3 had EC-Hornets
- 1 didn't have any drones in his last logi losses but got on killmails with the logi in every case

So out of 27 Guardians 5 had pure logi drones, 1 had a mix of logi and combat drones and all of the rest either had combat drones or had combat drones in previous losses, indicating that they do prefer them over logi drones.
And another thing: There are a lot more killmails where guardians got on the killmail than there are killmails of guardians. I think those people simply want to get on killmails too.

Damn, I guess I should have done that with exequrors instead of guardians. One sec. Not gonna do it as detailed again.

All Exequror lossmails from april 11th:

- 13 not counted (not logi fit or in two cases a gatecamp alt that I know)
- 9 combat / ewar drones
- 4 empty dronebay
- 5 half a bay of logi drones, the other half was in space getting him on killmails or in bay and combat drones or used ewar modules to get on kills
- 2 half a bay of logi drones, rest unknown
- 3 half a bay of combat / ewar drones, rest unknown

Fact is, even in bonused ships the ones using logi drones are a minority.

The Oneiros has the larger dronebay and more mid slots to fit ewar for example but is a lot less tanky which is why it's used a lot less in larger fleets, if at all.

Oneiros is not a good fleet boat which may have something to do with it. And both the Exequor and the Oneiros have the same bay size.
Both of them are small gang logi ships. And the Oneiros is the better choice for battlecruiser and battleship roam while the Exequror is better as cruiser to battlecruiser logi.

I am sure the minmatar ones would the shield ones but since I like a math challenge, I even made an Osprey work solo.


Just so we are on the same page here, small gang means < 9 pilots.

Everything that exceeds the number of rows on my overview tab is a blobb or a good indicator to leave now.

I never have and I never will understand this obsession of using your main character to post with. Ideas should be judged based on the idea itself, they should not be judged based on the character that was used to post it.
Character age is rendered useless because we can buy and sell characters on a market place.

One of OP's argument was that lack of killboard stats when flying logi could prevent him from joining a corp...

why do logi pilots care or want to be on killmails ? Think of it like a c.v and you are building up a profile ,while any corp you join or apply too will or should check your killboard so it's good for that and also it's good because it will simply bring more pilots to fly logi ships which is awesome

The argument most listed against this is why do I want a full and green killboard ? Is total junk , I do as many others care about my stats and want fair treatment for my fleet participation and time spent on the field in battle with other team members doing a mostly thankless job


Edit - I Am not a killboard poser ,I do not require a badge for every kill made but it would be nice to have a look back at my history within eve and be reminded of previous moments I have been part of ,this is why killboards work for me anyways